Great Lakes Ice Cover Far Above Normal Again

Great Lakes ice cover has been above normal five of the last seven years, and seven of the last thirteen years. It is already far above the normal annual maximum, with another month of growth left.

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Many experts claim the exact opposite, because their career depends on lying about the climate.

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44 Responses to Great Lakes Ice Cover Far Above Normal Again

  1. Andy DC says:

    With a couple of very cold weeks ahead, the percentage should rise dramatically. Climate scientists can lie, but the Great Lakes cannot.

    I have been banished from Climate Progress, I never said anything the least bit rude, just presented facts and debating points. Those people cannot tolerate the truth at all. I consider being banished by them to be a badge of honor!

    • sfx2020 says:

      Ice forming on lakes and rivers is directly connected to air temperatures. Like snow extent, and snow pack depth, it’s data collected by satellites, stations dedicated to snow, or ice, and people who care far more about accurate data than proving global warming is happening. It’s very hard, or impossible to alter the historic data for snow and lake and river ice, and snow depth in mountain regions that feed reservoirs, due to the importance of the data to companies that depend on accurate data.

      The issue of snow, and ice forming is probably the next battleground for anyone who is pushing an agenda. At present the story seems to be “more warming means more moisture, more snow”, or “changing patterns bring cold down, but it’s still warming overall”, or “a few cold winters means little”. But ice forming is directly related to temperature, there is no easy out to explain an increase in ice. (except at the sout pole, where they already played the card, and of course it was “the warming is causing the increase in ice”)

  2. NavarreAggie says:

    “Great Lakes Ice Cover Far Above Normal Again”…that is until they adjust the “baseline” average upward.

  3. ren says:


  4. ren says:

    High pressure over the the polar circle Arctic air pushes south.

  5. oeman50 says:

    I think this is where the “missing ice” from the Arctic is hiding./sarc

  6. gator69 says:

    It is only above ‘normal’ if you forget what formed them. There is no ‘normal’ in climate or weather, in spite of what alarmists tell us.

  7. Hell_Is_Like_Newark says:

    OFFTOPIC: Anyone here have a source for the long-wave radiation emitted by body at various temperatures? Say minus -100F to 150F. For my own edification, I have been wanting to make a plot comparing CO2 long wave absorption to other atmospheric gases. I have been able to find CO2’s range of absorption by wavelength, but haven’t been able to tie the wavelength emitted to a specific temperature. My text books only list wavelength for temps well above 150 F.

    Thanks in advance…

    • ren says:

      “The writers investigated the greenhouse effect using their adiabatic model, which relates the global temperature of troposphere to the atmospheric pressure and solar radiation. This model allows one to analyze the global-Figure 6. Near-surface temperature in the Arctic vs. solar activity (after Robinson et al., 2007) [17] .temperature changes due to variations in mass and chemical composition of the atmosphere. Even significant releases of anthropogenic carbon dioxide and methane into the atmosphere do not change average parameters of the Earth’s heat regime and have no essential effect on the Earth’s climate warming. Moreover, based on the adiabatic model of heat transfer, the writers showed that additional releases of CO2 and CH4 lead to cooling (and not to warming as the proponents of the conventional theory of global warming state) of the Earth’s atmosphere. The additional methane releases possess a double cooling effect: First, they intensify convection in the lower layers of troposphere; Second, the methane together with associated water vapor intercept part of the infrared solar irradiation reaching the Earth. Thus, petroleum production and other anthropogenic activities resulting in accumulation of additional amounts of methane and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have practically no effect on the Earth’s climate.”

    • Tor Svortevik says:

      Hello, I’m using a Black body radiation excel sheet for my calculation as and HVAC engineer. This might be helpful for you.

  8. Mohatdebos says:

    What happened to the warm spot in Lake Superior that the great Jeff Masters identified a few years back!

    • NielsZoo says:

      Hmmm is that like the warm spots in the kiddie pool?

    • Oh, that’s easy. Warm spots don’t like cold weather and they hate being marginalized in the media as “just weather”.

      They are not stupid. Instead of toughing it out, at the first sign of cold weather they get up and leave. They hurry to a place that just warmed up a bit where they can enjoy media attention and the scary reputation of being part of a catastrophically hot climate.

      They are like Alice Cooper on the road, smoke and mirrors, fans and groupies. It’s show biz:

  9. redc1c4 says:

    lots of really interesting data here, from people with a strong interest in getting it right, and not just the Great Lakes either:

  10. “It’s actually the worst ice conditions they’ve seen in over 20 years on the St. Clair River.”

    Commander Kevin Floyd
    Chief of the prevention department
    U.S. Coast Guard Sector Detroit
    January 26, 2015

    The early ice buildup along the southern shores of Lake Huron had created a critical situation downstream in the St. Clair River by mid-January, requiring the assistance of Canadian cutters to break the ice and free stuck freighters blocking the shipping channel.

    • rah says:

      I’ll be able to tell you personally. Tomorrow evening I will be passing over the Ambassador bridge on my way to Bolton, ON.
      Just got in from my run to Enfield, CT and then down to Pottstown, PA. Monday was brutal. Started out from my break at the Oneida, NY service area headed east. It was snow and snow covered roads basically all the way. I had some leeway in my delivery time so I timed my departure so I would hit the traffic in Albany when there was a little daylight.

      I can deal with the snow. It’s some of the PEOPLE that I want to kill. I mean after all they’re asking for me or someone else to kill them. 1/4 mi or less visibility and they’re set up in the middle of the interstate going 30 mph! It’s like saying: ‘Please kill me!’. The nice thing about it is that in a big truck with those big tires and some weight in the trailer I can take that left lane covered with 6″ of snow where very few 4-wheelers will lay a tread, at 45 to 50 mph generally and still feel the rumble strips. The problem is being sure that one can see that line where the plow has been because if you get your left front into the deep stuff your going for a ride into a jackknife at best. The right kind of sunglasses provide the definition and sitting up high give on the view to judge it. But it does get a little white knuckled at times.

      When I reached the Advanced Auto Parts Distribution center in Enfield and had backed into the door I watched a good sized front loader with a snow bucket working the lot. Right across the lot in front of me he had a pile of snow at close to 20′ high.

      The 200 miles from Oneida to Enfield was just the warm up. The real fun began on I-95 S. Patches of very heavy snow on my way down to Pottstown. I used the left lane which is restricted to big trucks a lot because for most of the way there were no 4-wheelers in it because of the snow and I had to be careful in it too because my trailer was empty. There was plenty of traffic in the other lanes though and some of them only going 20 mph. It did not get better until I got over the Tappan Zee bridge and from there it was pretty clear sailing.

      Oh, heard on the radio that the Mayor Boston says the city is approaching the budgeted amount for snow removal already. I think they better quite believing their own global warming propaganda.

      • Gail Combs says:

        My Brother-in-law, just north of Boston, had his snow plowing truck go belly-up and just bought a ‘new’ used one. At this rate he will have the sucker paid for by the end of the winter.

        Now if only Lady Winter would dump five feet of white on the District of Criminals.

        • rah says:

          Please Gail give me a little break here! I don’t want to go to DC!!! You know where ever it’s snowing or blowing on this side of the US they’re going to send me and if it isn’t bad enough somewhere here they’ll send me to Canada.

          I sure will be glad when those Canadian drivers get back from their month long winter vacations to their home countries of India and Pakistan. Then I won’t have to put up with the little twerp who knows it all at the place I deliver at in Bolton. He’s kinda burned his bridge with me lately. Before he worked there I did the guy who he replaced a favor a couple times and moved trailers from other trucking companies for them. No more! No favors from me again. Sooner or later what goes around comes around.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Hubby was watching this and I thought it was you rah,

        • rah says:

          One of the biggest problems is keeping the windshield clear. When it’s really blowing or coming down and the windchill is below zero the defroster just can’t keep up. Ice balls start forming on the ends of the wipers lifting the blade, or a portion of it, off the glass. Then a thin film of ice starts to form. Sometimes I just adjust my seat height to see through the clearest portion. Other times I pull off in a rest area to clean up the situation. Other times I slide my seat all the way forward and reach out the window and grab the wiper to slap it against the wind shield.

          BTW I always show the snow plows the greatest respect even when I’m in a line up of vehicles following behind two or more of them staggered.

        • rah says:

          At least the weather doesn’t look too bad for my trip up the 401 tonight. Some snow but nothing major. Temps for Thursday though will get down to -9 F or so they say.

        • emsnews says:

          I used to make money snow plowing with a big truck. I also towed people out of snow banks.

          The year before the Pinatubo volcano event, Mass. cut way back on snow plow equipment and spending. So we got hammered by huge snow storms after the volcano erupted and I made thousands of dollars going over the Taconics to Mass to snow plow people there. Lots and lots of towing out of snow banks, too.

          They were told, ‘winters would vanish’. And then they didn’t vanish. Now, they just did it again with the Hottest Year Evah which meant we would have sub zero weather and lots of blizzards. I am beginning to run out of room for the snow I plow from my own road, it piles higher and higher and is already over my head.

      • rah,

        Here is Coast Guard Cutter Mackinaw breaking ice in St. Clair River:

        Over 30 schools remain closed in St. Clair County. The road crews are still clearing the foot of snow from Sunday and Monday. It looks like the wind gusts up to 20 mph.

        Let the angels guide you on the road, with no snow drifts, clear view through your windshield, and nothing like this one when crossing bridges:

        Get back home safe.

        • rah says:

          You know I was never afraid flying in our Air Force aircraft. Nap of the earth at 200 ft AGL at night no problem. Even a couple times when the C-130 we were in lost an engine it didn’t bother me. Somewhere I have a pic I took of a feathered engine and icebergs down below in the back ground on our way into Goose Bay.

          But the way things are going you would have a hard time getting me on some of those Asian airlines these days.

        • The recently reported Asian airline accidents are worrisome but it could be a function of the market’s density.

          I wonder how the odds would compare against the VA hospital system.

        • rah says:

          Colorado Wellington says:”Get back home safe.”

          Thanks. It’s just what I do and I’ve been doing it for some time now and have been fortunate enough that nothing worse than a mechanical breakdown has happened. Like I have said before the endurance is still there. It’s the recovery that takes longer now days.

  11. Crashx says:

    I was a bit surprised that they had ice coverage data for 020515 [February 5th] on February 3rd.

  12. Eric Simpson says:

    Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog has a new post out: The Snow Beat the Snow Deniers.

    An excerpt:

    Last year, the New York Times predicted the end of snow. This week, its employees had trouble getting to work because of a travel ban caused by the blizzard…

    Indeed somewhere Dr. David Viner was probably cursing the snow for still being there while small children laughed at him. “Snow is starting to disappear from our lives,” The Independent had asserted then. Instead the UK is headed for a displaced polar vortex bringing with it some of the coldest temperatures on record.

    “The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent”, The Independent had claimed. They may not however be nearly as apparent as the delusional state of the Global Warmist. The snow clearly isn’t going anywhere. But neither are the Warmist weather deniers.

    And remember this quote from last year: “A growing body of evidence suggests that the kind of extreme cold being experienced by much of the United States as we speak is a pattern we can expect to see with increasing frequency, as global warming continues.” -John Holdren, Obama’s Science Czar, 2014

    Right. As the globe boils (future soap opera name, lol), the US will turn into an icicle. As the outside world gets hotter and hotter the US will get colder and colder. And the ice levels on its lakes will grow by leaps and bounds. Snow cover.. will rise dramatically. That is utterly stupid. Absolutely… nuts. Call the men in white coats to come pick up the leftist nutcase Dr. John Holdren.

    “A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States… [we] must design a stable, low-consumption economy in which there is a much more equitable distribution of wealth.” -John Holdren (1973), Obama’s Science Czar

    Bonus link: Winter Storm Buries Boston In Record Snow, Delays Patriots Victory Parade: With 40.2 inches of snow, Boston has shattered its record for all-time snowiest week since records began in 1891.

  13. Robertv says:

    UK, Tuesday 03February 2015

    Snow Falls As Temperatures Drop

  14. au1corsair says:

    Puzzle me this: why have green energy initiatives resulted in increased American dependence upon imported oil? President Carter announced increased reliance on coal for energy during his administration–and lost his bid for re-election. President Obama announced putting coal out of business and won his election–coal being replaced by oil, and domestic oil production being curtailed by executive action.

    It smells fishy!

  15. Russ Steele says:

    Reblogged this on The Next Grand Minimum and commented:
    Is this another indicator that we are on the cusp of the next grand minimum?

  16. wolsten says:

    Reblogged this on Wolsten and commented:
    “Great Lakes ice cover has been above normal five of the last seven years, and seven of the last thirteen years. It is already far above the normal annual maximum, with another month of growth left.”

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