Intimidation Works!

Check out this spectacular whopper from Carl Mears at RSS.

My particular dataset (RSS tropospheric temperatures from MSU/AMSU satellites) show less warming than would be expected when compared to the surface temperatures. All datasets contain errors. In this case, I would trust the surface data a little more because the difference between the long term trends in the various surface datasets (NOAA, NASA GISS, HADCRUT, Berkeley etc) are closer to each other than the long term trends from the different satellite datasets. This suggests that the satellite datasets contain more “structural uncertainty” than the surface dataset.

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The surface data sets currently agree, because they collude and use approximately the same underlying data. More than half of the surface data is fake.

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By contrast, Mears’ satellite data covers almost the entire planet.

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NASA surface data doesn’t even agree with NASA surface data. What kind of pressure is Mears under to spout such nonsense?

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Global warming theory is about troposphere warming. Why would you measure it in Urban Heat Islands, rather than by satellites measuring the actual troposphere? But the real story is below.

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70 Responses to Intimidation Works!

  1. tomwys1 says:

    RSS doesn’t measure “Urban Heat Islands” as well as the surface readings.

    Guess which data set the AGW crowd insists on using!!!

  2. Joseph says:

    “Global warming theory is about troposphere warming. Why would you measure it in Urban Heat Islands, rather than by satellites in the troposphere?”

    Bingo.

    • Joseph says:

      Steve, real quick, why the troposphere as opposed to the stratosphere, etc?

      • Jason Calley says:

        Hey Joseph! I am not Steve, but there are two primary reasons. The first and obvious reason is that the troposphere is where WE live. If warming ONLY affected the stratosphere, who would care about a few degrees? The second (and more pertinent as far as the science goes) is that the distinguishing mark of CO2 induced warming is a rise in temperature of the upper troposphere, primarily close to the tropics. If the warm spot in the tropics is not observed, the planet may even be warming, but the cause has to be something other than additional C02. Jo Nova http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/sh1/the_skeptics_handbook_2-3_lq.pdf explains it extremely well.

        • Joseph says:

          Awesome. Thanks Jason.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Joseph,

          It gets even better. As Jason said a key indication of global warming caused by CO2 is the ” a rise in temperature of the upper troposphere, primarily close to the tropics.”

          So, is the weather showing that ‘Hot Spot’ close to the tropics?…. I don’t think so.

          March 24, 2015: Bogota, Colombia, covered in 24 inches of snow – Video
          Bogota, Colombia is 4.5981° N altitude of 2,640 m (8,660 ft)

          March 6 2015: Record snow in Abruzzo, Italy, 5 & 6 Mar 2015 “…Published on March 8, 2015 – As of the morning of Thursday, March 5, for about 24 consecutive hours it snowed persistently recording a total accumulation of 1 meter and a half. (Almost 5 feet)…”
          Abruzzo, Italy in decimal degrees: 42.4°N Altitude/ elevation: 11 m (36 ft).

          March 11, 2015: World Record Snowfall in Capracotta, Italy “Entire buildings and cars buried. 100.8 inches of snow in just 18 hours” Previous record belonged to Silver Lake, Colorado, USA with 75.8 inches
          Capracotta, Italy is 41°50′N altitude of 1,421 metres (4,662 ft)
          (Think the Pope might get the message he is being sent?)

          14 Feb 2015: Heavy snowfall causes road closures in Mexico
          Cuauhtémoc, Chihuahua is 28.40° N altitude of 6,627 feet (2,020 m)

          March 12, 2015: “A very unusual snowing forced the closure of the Mexico City – Puebla City 150-D highway,” says reader Jesus Eduardo Herrera Flores….
          Puebla City is 19.03° N, altitude of 7091 feet (2149 m)
          Mexico City is 19.43° N altitude of 7382 feet (2,250 m)

          December 6, 2014: Heavy snowfall continues in Japan “20,000 homes without electricity. Tokushima Prefecture [Japan]…. on the southwestern island of Shikoku, 120 vehicles were trapped by heavy snowfall for 18 km (10.8 miles), RIA Novosti reports. The snow is 30 cm (12 inches) deep.
          Tokushima (lat. 34.0° N) altitude of 26 feet, is mild and semi-tropical sort of like South Carolina (lat. 34.0° N) but not as hot. Japan was in really bad shape this winter with snow strom after snow storm.. With at least 8 people confirmed dead, buildings an roofs collapsing.

        • Parma John says:

          Gail,

          Please try not to get carried away with the analysis; let’s let the alarmists cite numbers that don’t support their case.

          Capracotto is about the same latitude as Boston or new York, so nowhere near the tropics. Japan idem, and I don’t think the over-2000m altitudes tell us much about the tropics either.

          Also, the “hot spot” should appear in the upper troposphere, somewhere over 10,000m. “Hot” is a very relative term at those altitudes!

          Finally, that’s a temperature change that’s supposed to show up, which may or may not have anything to do with precipitation.

          So, as I understand it, the issue is simply that all of the alarmist models predict a relatively high increase in the temperatures of a particular region of the atmosphere: the upper troposphere at tropical latitudes. Radiosondes which measure that region’s temperature do not show a marked increase. Therefore, the models are crap.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Parma John,
          Actually I was poking a bit of fun at the Warmists with their warm causes cold.

          So how about this then?

          “Globally averaged temperature anomaly time series for the Lower Tropospheric Stratosphere (TLS). The plot shows the cooling of the lower stratosphere over the past 3 decades.”

          For where the first graph is measuring look at TLS. It is the slice of atmosphere at the upper troposphere – lower stratosphere centered at 16 kilometers (from third graph) where CAGW conjecture says there should be warming.


          TLS is the small bump on the extreme left centered ~16 kilometers.

          RSS spins it of course by invoking “a combination of ozone depletion and the increase of greenhouse gases.”

          However this shows ozone and CO2 radiating in the lower stratosphere at just about the same height so the increase/decrease should be a net wash.

        • Parma John says:

          It’s good enough for me to throw out the models.

          BTW, I just love how there’s always a counterbalancing, human caused, factor whenever the measured numbers don’t quite work out. Forget clouds and cosmic radiation when you can work whatever magic you want with CO2, aerosols, soot and ozone.

      • Joseph

        Quite simple

        Under GGG theory, the Troposphere should warm and the Stratosphere cool (as the heat is trapped in the top)

  3. Jason Calley says:

    Hey Tony! “Why would you measure it in Urban Heat Islands, rather than by satellites in the troposphere?”

    That may be possible poor phrasing. Any rational reader understands that you mean satellites are measuring the temperatures of the troposphere– but I lay you odds that some warmist will claim that you believe satellites are orbiting in the troposphere! 🙂

  4. Latitude says:

    I would trust the surface data a little more….because it’s been adjusted to show what we want

  5. So why did we (the US taxpayers) billions of dollars to send those satellites into space if we’re just going to ignore the data they collect?

    • Disillusioned says:

      At the time, NASA didn’t know the satellites would be recording something different from what the sacred hypothesis, politics and funding required.

      • spren says:

        I always thought it rather peculiar that the Goddard Institute of Space Studies, named after Robert Goddard – the father of rocketry, doesn’t utilize NASA’s own satellite data.

  6. minarchist says:

    Given Dr. Mear’s statements about the more accurate surface data, how long will it be before he begins adjusting RSS? My guess is that step is just around the corner.

  7. Ben Vorlich says:

    Steve the researchers here are not on message for UHI. They reckon the UHI in Peking is at least 3’C, Don’t let Phil know.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3002906/Electric-cars-combat-urban-heat-problem-study.html

    • Gail Combs says:

      Oh great.

      Just add that 3C to the station dropout issue, the TOBS adjustment and the switch from traditional glass thermometers to the new electronic measurement system. The question then becomes how much COOLER has the earth become?

      The last couple of days I posted on an 8.5 year side-by-side test conducted by German veteran meteorologist Klaus Hager, see here and here. The test compared traditional glass mercury thermometer measurement stations to the new electronic measurement system, whose implementation began at Germany’s approximately 2000 surface stations in 1985 and concluded around 2000.

      Hager’s test results showed that on average the new electronic measurement system produced warmer temperature readings: a whopping mean of 0.93°C warmer. The question is: Is this detectable in Germany’s temperature dataset? Do we see a temperature jump during the time the new “warmer” system was put into operation (1985 – 2000)? The answer is: absolutely!

      http://notrickszone.com/#sthash.Es2IbMZo.sAqMRsUB.dpbs

      March 8, 2010 On the “march of the thermometers”

      …Most of the station dropout issue covered in that report is based on the hard work of E. M. Smith, aka “chiefio“, who has been aggressively working through the data bias issues that develop when thermometers have been dropped from the Global Historical Climate Network. My contribution to the study of the dropout issue was essentially zero, as I focused on contributing what I’ve been studying for the past three years, the USHCN. USHCN has had a few station dropout issues, mostly due to closure, but nothing compared to the magnitude of what has happened in the GHCN.

      That said, the GHCN station dropout Smith has been working on is a significant event, going from an inventory of 7000 stations worldwide to about 1000 now, and with lopsided spatial coverage of the globe. According to Smith, there’s also been an affinity for retaining airport stations over other kinds of stations. His count shows 92% of GHCN stations in the USA are sited at airports, with about 41% worldwide….

      Zeke Hausfeather states:

      ……Nearly every single station in the network in the network has been moved at least once over the last century, with many having 3 or more distinct moves. Most of the stations have changed from using liquid in glass thermometers (LiG) in Stevenson screens to electronic Minimum Maximum Temperature Systems (MMTS) or Automated Surface Observing Systems (ASOS). Observation times have shifted from afternoon to morning at most stations since 1960, as part of an effort by the National Weather Service to improve precipitation measurements.

      All of these changes introduce (non-random) systemic biases into the network. For example, MMTS sensors tend to read maximum daily temperatures about 0.5 C colder than LiG thermometers at the same location. There is a very obvious cooling bias in the record associated with the conversion of most co-op stations from LiG to MMTS in the 1980s….. Understanding Adjustments to Temperature Data. by Zeke Hausfeather

  8. sfx2020 says:

    Why does it seem, that any good news about global warming, like it not happening as much as predicted, why is that news greeted with such anger and disbelief by some people? Why does it seem like they actually “want” it to warm? And fast, and dangerously?

    Anyone else notice this?

    • David A says:

      sfx, all the time. Sometimes I would post on facebook, “Good News, hurricanes tornadoes and extreme weather on the decline, with national and international data sets. Warmists got mad at me.

    • Gail Combs says:

      The UN has finally let the cat out of the bag when Christiana Figueres, the UN’s executive secretary of the Framework Convention on Climate Change said it wants to destroy capitalism. The UN’s Climate Change issue is a false ploy.

      U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare

      Economic Systems: The alarmists keep telling us their concern about global warming is all about man’s stewardship of the environment. But we know that’s not true. A United Nations official has now confirmed this.

      At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism….

      …Referring to a new international treaty environmentalists hope will be adopted at the Paris climate change conference later this year, she added: “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

      The only economic model in the last 150 years that has ever worked at all is capitalism. The evidence is prima facie: From a feudal order that lasted a thousand years, produced zero growth and kept workdays long and lifespans short, the countries that have embraced free-market capitalism have enjoyed a system in which output has increased 70-fold, work days have been halved and lifespans doubled…..

      UN climate chief: Communism is best to fight global warming “UN climate chief Christiana Figueres said that democracy is a poor political system for fighting global warming. Communist China, she says is the best model.”

      Biggest Emitter China Best on Climate, Figueres Says

      …China, the top emitter of greenhouse gases, is also the country that’s “doing it right” when it comes to addressing global warming, the United Nations’ chief climate official said.

      The nation has some of the toughest energy-efficiency standards for buildings and transportation and its support for photovoltaic technology helped reduce solar-panel costs by 80 percent since 2008, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, said yesterday in an interview at Bloomberg News headquarters in New York.

      The country is facing growing public pressure from citizens to reduce air pollution, due in large part to burning coal. Its efforts to promote energy efficiency and renewable power stem from the realization that doing so will pay off in the long term, Figueres said.

      “They actually want to breathe air that they don’t have to look at,” she said. “They’re not doing this because they want to save the planet. They’re doing it because it’s in their national interest.”

      China is also able to implement policies because its political system avoids some of the legislative hurdles seen in countries including the U.S., Figueres said.

      Key policies, reforms and appointments are decided at plenums, or meeting of the governing Communist Party’s more than 200-strong Central Committee. The National People’s Congress, China’s unicameral legislature, largely enforces decisions made by the party and other executive organs.

      The political divide in the U.S. Congress has slowed efforts to pass climate legislation and is “very detrimental” to the fight against global warming, she said…..

      In the U.S., the divided Congress is politicizing climate change and slowing down efforts to pass legislation, Figueres said.

      Of course many of us here figured it was all about a return to slavery years ago.

      • Neal S says:

        Sarcasm ahead ….

        Ohhh yeah … China is doin it RIIIGHT!!!! …. Like the air in China is just SOOOO much better than the air in the capitalist USA. And China is going to really really really cut CO2 sometime in the next few decades or so …. honest! …. did I say ‘really’?

        /sarcasm

  9. gator69 says:

    “Speak loudly and carry a hockey stick.”
    -Trust Buster

  10. Scott Scarborough says:

    Did anyone plot UAH, RSS, GISS, and HadCrut? Mears has got to be crazy for saying such a thing. It isn’t true. There is excellent correlation between UAH and RSS. They show El-ninos and La-ninias exactly the same way. Why would someone say this when it isn’t true?

    • darrylb says:

      Ditto

    • Gail Combs says:

      He is PAID TO LIE!

      The goal is and always has been to destroy the USA. To destroy freedom. To return humanity to a system of serfdom.
      Pascal Lamy: Whither Globalization?

      …In the same way, climate change negotiations are not just about the global environment but global economics as well — the way that technology, costs and growth are to be distributed and shared….

      Can we balance the need for a sustainable planet with the need to provide billions with decent living standards? Can we do that without questioning radically the Western way of life?….
      The reality is that, so far, we have largely failed to articulate a clear and compelling vision of why a new global order matters — and where the world should be headed….

      All had lived through the chaos of the 1930s — when turning inwards led to economic depression, nationalism and war. All, including the defeated powers, agreed that the road to peace lay with building a new international order — and an approach to international relations that questioned the Westphalian, sacrosanct principle of sovereignty….

      In other words FDR, the same Son of a Syphilitic Camel that stole US citizen gold and gave it to the International Bankers, also agreed to rid the USA of her National Sovereignty. The Fabian Progressives have been working towards that goal ever since (and well before that.)

      The Dullies boys (KGB Agents) worked long and hard to convince Americans that International Treaties over ride the US Constitution.
      “There is no indication that American public opinion, for example, would approve the establishment of a super state, or permit American membership in it. In other words, time – a long time – will be needed before world government is politically feasible… This time element might seemingly be shortened so far as American opinion is concerned by an active propaganda campaign in this country…” —- Allen W. Dulles (cfr) from a UN booklet, Headline Series #59 (New York: The Foreign Policy Association., Sept.-Oct., 1946) pg 46.

      Treaties Do Not Supersede the Constitution
      The following qualifies as one of the greatest lies the globalists continue to push upon the American people. That lie is: “Treaties supersede the U.S. Constitution”.
      The Second follow-up lie is this one: “A treaty, once passed, cannot be set aside”.
      HERE ARE THE CLEAR IRREFUTABLE FACTS: The U.S. Supreme Court has made it very clear that
      1) Treaties do not override the U.S. Constitution.
      2) Treaties cannot amend the Constitution. And last,
      3) A treaty can be nullified by a statute passed by the U.S. Congress (or by a sovereign State or States if Congress refuses to do so), when the State deems a treaty the performance of a treaty is self-destructive. The law of self-preservation overrules the law of obligation in others. When you’ve read this thoroughly, hopefully, you will never again sit quietly by when someone — anyone — claims that treaties supercede the Constitution. Help to dispell this myth….

      However under International Law the President of the United States can sign binding contracts with other Nations. These contracts are considered treaties under International Law and unless their unconstitutionality was manifestly obvious to the other nations at the time the treaty was contracted the United States is stuck with it even if it is later found Unconstitutional within the United States.

      ..U.S. law distinguishes what it calls treaties, which are derived from the Treaty Clause of the United States Constitution, from congressional-executive agreements and executive agreements. All three classes are considered treaties under international law; they are distinct only from the perspective of internal United States law…..

      ……“So for instance, if the US Supreme Court found that a treaty violated the US constitution, it would no longer be binding on the US under US law; but it would still be binding on the US under international law, unless its unconstitutionality was manifestly obvious to the other states[nations] at the time the treaty was contracted…..
      http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/9/7/3/1/p97319_index.html?type=info

      On the other hand we have:

      …..”This [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty.”…… – Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17

      The ULTIMATE QUESTION: Is the United States of America a sovereign nation or are we just a state within the Globalists “NEW WORLD ORDER”?

  11. Ivan says:

    Watch out, major “adjustments” of RSS imminent.

  12. Ivan says:

    to “match” the more reliable surface data, of course…

  13. emsnews says:

    Naw, they will simply shoot down the satellites that provide the information they don’t want.

  14. cotwome says:

    Of course measuring sea level rise with satellites is very accurate and incontrovertible to the warmunists. Why use ground measurements like tide gauges. Hey can I have my cake and eat it too!?

  15. Eric Simpson says:

    The media is freaking out about Cruz’s strong and logical and forcefully expressed opposition to the leftist climate change fantasy: Here’s what Ted Cruz thinks about climate change: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2561905

    Jerry Brown is the biggest proponent of CA’s deleterious cap & trade program that is going to impart another body blow to CA’s grid and economy. All for global warming, or is it global cooling??

    This from wuwt: No wonder they call him ‘moonbeam’ – California Governor Jerry Brown claims Global Warming causes extreme cold

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/03/23/no-wonder-they-call-him-moonbeam-california-governor-jerry-brown-claims-global-warming-causes-extreme-cold/

  16. Gonzo says:

    This is a concerted effort before the big shindig climate poobaa in Paris. Going after the 7 climate scientists, 100 companies, twiter shutting down prominent climate skeptic, google changing search parameters, google meeting once a week with the white house, rss “trusting” the land temps, shoddy climate studies saying the gulf stream is slowing/shutting down, epa throwing down ridiculous new regs, release of the libelous merchants of doubt etc……They’re in full court press right now to try and right their listing dinghy. Thank god for the internet.

  17. D.S. says:

    How about we pose this question regarding their land-based measurings

    CAGW started after WWII, right? Specifically the IPCC uses 1950 as their point as that is when CO2 levels rose over their odd 320ppm ideal or whatever. But we are really talking WWII-today as time of out of control CAGW that is going to boil the planet or something.

    So…

    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1940/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1940/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1940/to:1985/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1985/to:1998/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1998/to:2014/trend

    How come the theory of “CAGW” has actually only showed up in roughly 13 of 75 years since the start of WWII? I mean, if the outcome of your theory is showing up over only about 17% of the time you are insisting it is taking place, you would think you would start to question the theory…

    And how can “the evidence for warming of the Earth’s climate system is unequivocal, and many of the changes observed since 1950 are unprecedented over decades to millennia,” as the IPCC says, be true in the face of this

    The period of roughly 1884-1945 matches perfectly with the “Unequivocally Unprecedented” period of “Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming” of roughly 1946-2007 – but how can that be if post-1950 warming is truly “Unequivocally Unprecedented” in their eyes?

    “Unequivocally Unprecedented” literally means “no doubt it has never happened before” – but what we witnessed over 1946-2007 DID happen before from roughly 1884-1945, and it did it without all that nasty CO2 they are insisting caused the 1946-2007 period.

    • Gail Combs says:

      As I said before the ClimAstrologists are discussing how many Dust Devils can dance on the blade of a Hokey Stick.

      vs

      Dansgaard–Oeschger Events (Bond Events during the Holocene interglacial) were abrupt warm transitions of 8 to 10C to near interglacial temperatures. The largest warming was 16C. When the ClimAstrologists can give a SOLID explanation of Dansgaard–Oeschger Events and Bond Events they can get back to me about the effects of Unicorn farts on the climate.

      NOAA
      Climate during the last glacial period was far from stable. Two different types of climate changes, called Heinrich and Dansgaard-Oeschger events, occurred repeatedly throughout most of this time. Dansgaard-Oeschger (D-O) events were first reported in Greenland ice cores by scientists Willi Dansgaard and Hans Oeschger. Each of the 25 observed D-O events consist of an abrupt warming to near-interglacial conditions that occurred in a matter of decades, and was followed by a gradual cooling…

      What caused Heinrich and Dansgaard-Oeschger events?

      The cause of these glacial events is still under debate. Currently, the leading hypothesis involves a slowdown of the ocean’s thermohaline circulation…. The initial trigger for freshwater releases has not yet been identified. One suggestion is that small, gradual changes in solar output could have influenced the timing of abrupt changes (Bond et al., 2001). Other ideas call upon natural oscillations of the ice sheets themselves (MacAyeal, 1993; Hulbe et al., 2004; Alley et al., 2006) or of ocean processes (Shaffer et al., 2004, Flückiger et al., 2006)….

      Even though Heinrich and D-O events seem to have been initiated in the North Atlantic, they had a global footprint. Some of the best evidence outside of the North Atlantic for these events comes from sediment cores in the Caribbean (Peterson et al. 2000) and Arabian Seas (Schulz et al. 1998), and in speleothems from Hulu Cave in China (Wang et al. 2001). These sites, along with others, are shown in Figure 5. The climate anomalies are consistent with a slowdown of the thermohaline circulation and reduced ocean heat transport into the northern high latitudes. During cold phases in the North Atlantic, large regions of North America and Eurasia became colder and drier. A southward shift of the tropical rain belt moistened many parts of the Southern Hemisphere. Antarctic ice cores show warming, consistent with a reduction of northward heat transport from the Southern Hemisphere.

    • No, no, no, no, no, no, no!

      You did that completely wrong! You are supposed to draw only one trend line, that starts in 1940 and ends in 2015! That’s all that matters!

      😉

  18. emsnews says:

    All of the upticks during Ice Ages are due to the sunspot activity getting briefly stronger.

    This is the ticking time bomb at work. ALL warmups are sudden nearly with no exception. And tick away at some degree or another. And the only thing that can have this effect so regularly is the sun. Our sun is old.

    • Gail Combs says:

      emsnews,
      You might be interested in this essay by Dr. Norman Page at WUWT and especially this comment by William Astley

      ….It appears, the Dansgaard-Oeschger (D-O) temperature cycle is driven by a solar magnetic cycle change, as there are cosmogenic isotope changes at each and every D-O cycle. What is missing is a physical mechanism to explain how a solar magnetic cycle change can cause the planet to cyclically warm and cool, sometimes abruptly cool.

      I become interested in what causes the glacial/interglacial cycle 15 years ago and have followed all related research including the most recent discoveries and unresolved controversies.

      In the last 10 years, the geomagnetic field specialists have found that geomagnetic field changes correlate with past climate changes…..

      A long but interesting comment, and in response to a question from Dr Page another comment with links to several papers.

      And another set of comments starts HERE

      _Jim has a good comment on how old renewable research actually is HERE

      My personal opinion is the earth’s climate is a result of a combination of the sun (including the Milankovitch cycles) the configuration of the continents and water with geothermal tossed in to make things interesting.

      • emsnews says:

        My father, Dr. Aden Meinel, is one of the founders of Kitt Peak and other observatories including the first Solar Observatory which was built next to my rock playground we called ‘turtle rock’ on Kitt Peak.

        My grandfather worked with Dr. Hubble tracking sun spots and correlating this to weather.

        I am VERY ANGRY at attempts by the warmists to negate the sun. My father’s very last communications to me was, before he died, ‘The sun is going cold again and you are vulnerable to this (my mountain in NY)’.

        He saw that the sun is shifting gears again and the ‘long walk to the surface’ by photon units is slowing down. That is, the sun is going into a quiet cycle. He was banned from publishing this!

        Yes, a famous scientist couldn’t get ‘The Sun is a VARIABLE STAR’ published.

        • Disillusioned says:

          Thank you for sharing. I’m sorry your father, Dr. Meinel, was banned from publishing that. I’d like to know more about it.

        • Gail Combs says:

          It is really too bad your father destroyed his last paper. Even if it could not get into a peer-reviewed journal it could have been put up on the net.

          And yes, he is correct. The sun is a variable star and the energy from it controls our weather/climate with the Milancovitch orbital cycles, water, configuration of the continents and geothermal/volcanoes as modifiers.

          However, as all of us here know, CAGW is all about politics and a stick to beat humanity back into slavery. It has nothing to do with ever to do with science.

          I figured we were heading back toward a cooling cycle 20 years ago which is why we moved from New England to North Carolina. I picked NC because it is tectonically stable, few hurricanes or tornadoes in the piedmont and has decent rainfall/climate even during the depths of glaciation. NC was spruce forest during Wisconsin Ice Age while Florida was sand dunes/oak scrub.

        • Disillusioned says:

          Gail, it makes very little sense to me. Yes, even if he didn’t have the energy or wherewithal to do it at his late age, I don’t understand why he would have have destroyed it (she has said that he destroyed all of his papers before he died). I’d like to know more about that.

          Of course, not even the papers of Habbibulo Abussimatov (and other astrophysicists and solar scientists who have published papers predicting worldwide cooling) will be able to stop the upcoming cool down, let alone the next ice age.

          I believe the Russians and Chinese are likely preparing for it already, whilst the West fritters away precious time, money and liberties away on this CO2-centric, politically-correct Mann-made warming nonsense.

          Obama’s CO2 “deal” with China? We gave them the keys to the castle – the Chinese are laughing at Buffoon Hussein Obama and the United States of America – all the way to the Peoples Bank of China.

          The central planners at the very top MUST know what the truth is; they must see the writing on the wall. They cannot be this stupid. Nobody of reasonable intelligence can be. I don’t believe for a second that they’re afraid of CO2 at all.

          We truly are living in a real-world Twilight Zone.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Disillusioned,

          I am sure the Elite are very well aware the Holocene warmth is ending and have been since the 1970s.

          If you look at the actions since the 1970s, (all of a sudden the USA takes a U turn and kills off its manufacturing) you can see plans are made by the Elite to move manufacturing and their center of operations from the USA and the EU. The plans are also to make sure as few people as possible survive as they take control of the land, food production, transportation, energy and money.

          Some say you can walk away from an ice age, which is true. However you can not do so if you don’t know how to survive outside your Transit Village. If you food supply is restricted to the 100 mile foodshed** surrounding your Transit Village and cold makes that food supply fail – you die. Especially if there is no transportation, no roads and Ted Turner’s Pleistocene Rewilding of the USA has occurred. Think starving jaguars, wolves, coyotes, tigers….

          The 1974 CIA report, A Study of Climatological Research as it Pertains to Intelligence Problems, gives the other problem of migration away from colder climes:

          Pg 7
          … Since 1972 the grain crisis has intensified…. Since 1969 the storage of grain has decreased from 600 million metric tons to less than 100 million metric tons – a 30 day supply… many governments have gone to great lengths to hide their agricultural predicaments from other countries as well as from their own people…

          pg 9
          The archaeologists and climatotologists document a rather grim history… There is considerable evidence that these empires may not have been undone by barbarian invaders but by climatic change…. has tied several of these declines to specific global cool periods, major and minor, that affected global atmospheric circulation and brought wave upon wave of drought to formerly rich agricultural lands.

          Refugees from these collapsing civilizations were often able to migrate to better lands… This would be of little comfort however,… The world is too densely populated and politically divided to accommodate mass migration.

          Page 18
          Scientists are confident that unless man is able to effectively modify the climate, the northern regions… will again be covered with 100 to 200 feet of ice and snow. That this will occur within the nexy 2,500 years they are quite positive; that it may occur sooner is open to speculation.

          page 22 states:
          The climate of the 1800s was far less favorable for agriculture in most areas of the world. In the United States during that century, the midwest grain-producing areas were cooler and wetter and snow lines of the Russian steppes lasted for longer periods of time. More extended periods of drought were noted in the areas of the Soviet Union now known as the new lands. More extensive monsoon failures were common around the world, affecting in particular China, the Philippines and the Indian Subcontinent.

          The Wisconsin analysis questions whether a return to these climate conditions could support a population that has grown from 1.1 billion in 1850 to 3.75 billion in 1970. The Wisconsin group predicted that the climate could not support the world’s population since technology offers no immediate solution. Further world grain reserves currently amount to less than one month; thus any delay in supplies implies mass starvation. They also contended that new crop strains could not be developed over night… Moreover they observed that agriculture would become even more energy dependent in a world of declining resources.…..

          …………………..

          A Transit Village in the making:
          http://thedemiseofchristchurch.com/2012/11/29/hello-world/

          FOODSHEDS**
          After Rosa Koire linked to the Cornell information on Foodsheds they killed the page. Here is alternate information:
          http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=8547574&fileId=S1742170511000196

          (wwwDOT)cornellrooseveltinstitute.org/retracting-the-global-foodshed.html

          http://transition-times.com/blog/2010/11/26/the-evolution-of-transition-in-the-u-s/

      • Disillusioned says:

        Thanks Gail.

        What I still have trouble understanding is how empowering China fits into Agenda 21; how that will help the central planners who know we’re heading away from the Holocene.

        • Gail Combs says:

          The Elite Central Planners want Communism Christiana Figueres, the UN’s executive secretary of the Framework Convention on Climate Change, made that clear. The Chinese have achieved ‘workable Communism’. Maurice Strong has always been a cheer leader for the Chinese. And don’t Forget Armand Hammer and his ties to Al Gore’s Daddy. Hammer a supporter of the REPUBLICANS was a member of the Communist party.

          Al Gore Theme: “If I Had A Hammer”
          …”One of the minor mysteries of American politics has been the source of wealth for the family of Vice President Albert Gore Jr.,” observes Joseph Goulden of Accuracy in Media. “When Gore’s father was first elected to the House of Representatives in the late 1930s,” Goulden continues, “he was an impecunious Tennessee school teacher who eked out extra dollars by playing fiddle at church weddings. But later, as a United States Senator, he lived in the plush Fairfax Hotel on Embassy Row in Washington…

          In a recent issue of the Washington Inquirer, Goulden summarizes the contents of a new book called Dossier, written by investigative reporter Edward Jay Epstein, which “shows that the senior Gore had a silent partner who for several decades insured that his pockets remained comfortably filled. He was Armand Hammer, the multi-millionaire businessman and oil promoter….

          …When George Bush was waging his great White House “war on drugs” he was also receiving funds from Hammer to look the other way while Hammer set up the Shining Path Maoist guerrilla movement (yes, Hammer enjoyed easy access to China and taught Al Gore Junior the avenues of access to Bejing). Shining Path soon seized control of Peru’s billion dollar cocaine traffic …

          That is the first point.
          …….
          North America during glaciation:

          Europe during glaciation:

          CONTINUED:

        • Gail Combs says:

          As I said above Hammer helped China get a major foothold in South America and China is also making inroads in Africa. SEE: China has become by far Africa’s biggest trading partner, and (wwwDOT)chinaafricarealstory.com/

          So what about glaciation and South America?

          Not great but not bad. Brazil, one of the BRICS countries looks fairly good.
          And Africa?

          South Africa, Mozambique, Tanzania, Kenya, Zimbabwe with the mineral wealth in the Congo are a decent target. South Africa is already a BRICS country. But again not great

          Euraisa?

          Southeast Asia looks real good doesn’t it? And India, another BRICS country is not bad.

          Australia?

          China has already developed closer ties to Australia and the USA is buying farmland….

          Granted this are reconstructions from the depths of the Wisconsin Ice age but they give a feel for where the reasonable farmland will be as the climate gets colder and drier. Canada, the USA and the EU are not favored.

        • Disillusioned says:

          Gail, thank you again. A lot you talk about I have gotten in bits and pieces, more so than the average American. But you tie it together well.

          With the massive National Debt only getting larger, I don’t see how the U.S. reconciles with China. The U.S. continues to become more dependent on other nations, and It looks to me like the U.S. is already just giving in, whenever required. Obama’s climate “deal” with China was not a deal at all. It was akin to a kid gladly agreeing to lend a bully all his marbles, for a promise that the bully will give them back, at an agreed date in the future.

          That future date will come and go. And the silly fool will never get his marbles back. The whole neighborhood knows it. Perhaps even the scared little kid knows it also. (But he isn’t letting on to anyone.)

  19. We must not forget the oceans in all of this.

    We are told that SST are at record highs. But ghg and a warmer atmosphere can have very little effect on SST.

    If SST’s really are high, it cannot be due to ghg, and are more likely to be due to sun\clouds and ocean cycles.

    Meanwhile, surface temps cannot increase due ghg UNTIL the extra heat has come through the atmosphere

  20. Actually, Tony, I don’t think it is intimidation. Roy Spencer is clear that RSS were paid to come in to prove UAH were wrong..

    Follow the money!

  21. gator69 says:

    “Millions” of radiosondes…

  22. gator69 says:

    Speaking of intimidation. How would you like your kids to be forced to work at a this McDonalds in a war zone? These are not protesters, they are a mob. A violent mob, that even after due process has been handed down, even after the Chief of police and the innocent Darren Wilson resigned, continue to loot and pillage. God help those trapped in this city under siege.

    They still lie and chant ‘Hands up, don’t shoot’. Sick lying POS scumbags.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Probably Al Sharpton imports.

      • gator69 says:

        Soros spent 33 million on this…

        Liberal billionaire George Soros has played a critical role in financing the Ferguson, Missouri, protest movement, giving at least $33 million in one year to back already established groups that “emboldened” on-the-ground activists there.

        http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/14/george-soros-funds-ferguson-protests-hopes-to-spur/

        POS extraordinaire.

        • Gail Combs says:

          …..“The incidents, whether in Staten Island, Cleveland or Ferguson, were spontaneous protests — we don’t have the ability to control or dictate what others say or choose to say,” Mr. Zimmerman said. “But these circumstances focused people’s attention — and it became increasingly evident to the social justice groups involved that what a particular incident like Ferguson represents is a lack of accountability and a lack of democratic participation….

          Yeah, right. Zimmerman, Open Society and Soros just want to make sure all the citizens in the city of Ferguson don’t sue the pants off all of them for inciting to riot.

          This article lists the various organizations
          TheFerguson – Soros Connection

          …George Soros, hedge fund billionaire, Nazi sympathizer, also known as the man who “broke the bank of England” despises the idea of “free markets” and capitalism as symbolized by the United States. As such, it’s become his life’s goal to create an “open society” which would, accordingly to Robert Chandler of Accuracy in Meida, “require terminating U.S. sovereignty, disposing of the Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution, and Bill of Rights, or at least modifying them with significant amendments to make them square with open society norms, and reforming the United Nations to facilitate a world socialist governance with the new social-political institutions to enforce its principles, such as the International Criminal Court.” Soros has been funding various “social justice” groups for a long time working on specific language and causes to undermine our rules of law in hopes of them one day falling. That time is now as noted in the upcoming amnesty declaration and Ferguson decisions….

          When paid protestors are bussed in, no longer is it a spontaneous backlash at a local tragedy. It is a planned, organized, and well-funded event meant to create division, divide, and distract. There are “rules of engagement” for these planned protests. Al Sharpton has even gone so far as to create a list of “community organized” cities for these protests throughout the country, much like the Occupy movements which was created and funded by, you guessed it, George Soros. Obama, the king of community organizers, told the rioters to “stay the course”, inciting violence as community organizers do, not trying to keep the peace as a leader would…..

        • Gail Combs says:

          As I have been saying for some time, the blacks are the Cannon Fodder for the Elite’s plans to set-up a let’s you and he fight. Al Sharpton is Soros’ chief N…r actively betraying the other blacks.

          Too bad they are too stupid to see it.

        • gator69 says:

          I have a good friend from Argentina, who had never seen a black person until she came to America. She was a liberal and an art student and lucky to survive the mass kidnappings of her college days. A little known fact is that the Argentine military literally used blacks as cannon fodder in their conflicts, placing all black regiments at the front of their ranks, until they were virtually exterminated.

          When songstress Josephine Baker visited Argentina in the 1950s she asked the biracial minister of public health Ramon Carilio, “Where are the Negroes?” to which Carilio responded, laughing, “There are only two – you and I.”

          War heroism, in fact, is one reason Argentina lags so far behind in recognizing its people of African descent. Even after the official abolition of slavery, many blacks were still slaves and were granted manumission only by fighting in Argentina’s wars, serving disproportionately in the war of independence against Spanish rule and border wars against Paraguay from 1865 to 1870. Blacks were also granted their freedom if they joined the army, but they were deliberately placed on the front line and used as cannon fodder. Historian Ysabelle Rennie notes that the government deliberately placed as many blacks as possible in “dangerous military service” and sent them into battle “where they got killed off fighting Indians (another race Argentines were interested in exterminating).”

          http://planete-afrique.com/afro-latino/blacks_in_argentina.htm

        • Gail Combs says:

          Thanks for the information Gator. I always learn more from you.

          Now if we could only get that information out to the blacks. Unfortunately I am afraid they have been so brainwashed by all the Progressive goodies bought with our taxes, they do not see the trap hidden behind the bait. Heck the never see the “History of Democrat Racism” (wwwDOT)maggiesnotebook.com/history-of-democrat-racism/

          From Gamble’s North Carolina project

          The “negro project”

          In 1939, Margaret Sanger’s new Birth Control Federation of America, a merger of her American Birth Control League and her research arm, the Birth Control Clinical Research Bureau, designed a “Negro Project” which sought to bring about a major birth-rate reduction among American Negroes. Such a result, according to the goals of the project, would help solve the problem of Southern Negro poverty. According to the project proposal, widely believed to have been written by Gamble, “The mass of Negroes, particularly in the South, still breed carelessly and disastrously, with the result that the [population] increase among Negroes…is from that portion…least intelligent and fit, and least able to rear children properly.”

          The project was to hire three or four “colored Ministers, preferably with social service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities” to travel through the South and propagandize for birth control. As the project proposal stated, “The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.”

          In a remarkably frank letter to Gamble, Sanger wrote that “We do not want Word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”….

          I already connected Sanger to the pro-eugenics UK Fabians, many of whom found their way into her bed. What is interesting is: Former eugenics founded Planned Parenthood director [Lindsay Siler] to lead President Barack Obama’s organization in North Carolina Quite a slap in the face to the North Carolina blacks who were sterilized via NC Eugenics law passed in 1919. That law, allowing involuntary sterilization, wasn’t officially repealed until 2003 although the board was disbanded in 1977. North Carolina performed the third-most eugenic sterilizations in the United States, behind California and Virginia with blacks as a target.

          Lindsay Siler went on to become Organizing for Action’s issues director. Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards is one of the most frequent visitors to the White House.

          Lindsay Siler also worked for the Hillary Clinton for President campaign in Iowa too. Not surprising since Hillary Clinton says she is in AWE of Margaret Sanger.

  23. kirkmyers says:

    It’s obvious Mears is afraid of being ostracized by his Warmist peers and left of the invitation list for the next faculty cocktail party. He’s doing his best to endear himself to a group of global warming ideologues who have demonstrated that they will do everything in their power to ruin the reputation of any person who questions their unscientific pronouncements of doom. It’s sad to watch a man compromise his integrity in a vain attempt to please a gang of self-serving, hate-filled scaremongers.

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