In November, 1938 Hitler used a shooting as an excuse to confiscate all of the guns owned by Jews.
Immediately after the guns were confiscated, Hitler began rounding up Jews and hauling them off to concentration camps.
The Bulletin – Google News Archive Search
Daytona Beach Morning Journal – Google News Archive Search
One might expect a person named “Bloomberg” to know a little bit about his own history.
What a grotesque comparison. You should be ashamed.
I presented some newspaper articles detailing historical facts, and your disturbed mind doesn’t want to believe it. Typical leftie, unable to handle the facts of history so you choose not to believe it.
What is shameful is America destined to repeat history.
No, America is not “destined” to repeat history. Of all the nations on the planet, America is the ONE place where history is not destined to be repeated — for we are, in principle and in fact, a self-governing, self-determining nation, where government is by the people, of the people, and for the people.
What is shameful is that, given this ticket to liberty and prosperity and goodness, and the moral mandate of being a light among the nations, we have sunk to the level of barbarians and will therefore very likely be as exemplary in our failure as we were in our success. That we – the only people on earth with the privilege of being able to decide our future as a nation, have chosen by our indifference and willful ignorance the awful one that certainly awaits us. It would be terrible enough even if we changed our course to right ourselves unswervingly this very day; but barring that, our destruction is certain.
And we let it happen. That is shameful.
No-one said it wasn’t real, typical right-wing reading between the lines to see something which isn’t there. Lucan Hayder said the comparison was grotesque, because it is. The fact of the matter is that America has the most firearm related killings per capita of any developed nation, and has the most guns per capita of any nation in the world. This is, quite clearly, an issue. The rest of the developed world sees America as backward and stupid in this regard, and that is just embarrassing.
Most places in the US are extremely safe. The vast majority of violent crime is inner city gangs in gun-free zones.
You guys shouldn’t pigeonhole yourselves into the lame, simplistic, tribal, “us vs. them” left-right paradigm that the media has fooled you into. Both establishment Democrats and Republicans are responsible for destroying this country with their big-government policies.
If you take out the major cities like Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, and D.C., America’s gun-related murder rate per capita is pretty much the same as any other country. Oh, and by the way, those violent cities have the toughest gun control laws in the country.
Like advanced Australia?
HDonnell, Excuse me but you do not speak for the rest of the world. I live in France for half the year and Ireland the other half. Let’s take a look at the history of gun control.
In 1911, Turkey instituted gun control. Between 1915 and 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, no longer able to defend themselves, were rounded up and massacred. This does not include the hundreds of thousands of Greeks and islanders who were also executed.
In 1929, the Soviet Union instituted gun control. Between 1929 and 1953, an estimated 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and killed.
In 1938, Germany instituted gun control. Between 1939 and 1945, an estimated 13 million Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill, Catholics and various other minorities, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and killed.
In 1935 China instituted gun control. Between 1948 and 1952, an estimated 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and killed.
In 1956 Cambodia instituted gun control. Between 1975 and 1977 over one million “educated people”, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and killed.
In 1964, Guatamala established gun control. Between 1964 and 1981, over 100,000 Mayans, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and killed.
In 1970, Uganda instituted gun control. Over the next nine years over 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and killed.
Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda, Zimbabwe all had gun control laws. How did that work out for the people? I guess you could ask a survivor, if you can find one.
I don’t know anyone here who sees America as backward or stupid. I won’t speak for everyone because that would be inane but the vast majority of Europeans that I’ve met admire America. Many would love an opportunity to live there. But what would I know? I just live here and heard this from people directly.
The only thing you should be embarrassed about is your arrogant belief that you speak for the rest of the world. Speak for yourself all you want but don’t you dare speak for me. No one elected you to speak for others.
“He told people it was my opinion when it sure as hell wasn’t. What a ferocious langer” – Roy Keane
más rud é aineolas bliss , cén fáth a bhfuil níos mó daoine nach bhfuil sásta ?
Si l’ignorance est bonheur, pourquoi ya plus de gens pas heureux?
Go live somewhere else then. We have guns for a good reason, well considered by men wiser than you.
Since you want to state statistics..if you pay attention the bulk of the firearm related killings are in “gun free cities”. Yes we rank top in most killings but if you take those “gun free” cities out of the equations we drop way down the list. Criminals are going to get guns no matter what. Takeing guns from law abiding citizens only makes it easier for criminals.
Where did you get your statistics? They don’t match the FBI’s. We are 7th, which is not good. If scumbag leftist mayors in the big cities would put down black and latino gang violence, we would be something like 124th in the world. Unfortunately these vile leftist politicians need the issue to run on so they will continue to allow the slaughter. They have the blood of those killed there on their hands and they don’t care. They are only interested in taking guns from those who need them to defend themselves.
In England, where guns were confiscated a while back there is twice as much violence committed against its citizens while violent crimes have been declining over the last 40 years in America (excluding your leftist plantations in the inner cities). Those who comment here know why you want the guns, i.e., you can’t push your scumbag National Socialist agenda (caps mine) down our throats without making us helpless against it. You have no interest in freedom of thought or freedom to pursue our own ends. You have no use in our society except to destroy things.
You seem to completely miss what happened in Germany and the issue of Gun Confiscation and the subsequent Holocaust. We have real dangers in our country. We have the National Defense Authorization Act and Patriot Act Hovering over American Citizens now. However, I am not here to give you a lesson of history or current events…Perhaps, you would have felt more safe and protected in Nazi Germany. Then, that’s that your Choice.
The opinion of foreign nationals regarding the domestic policies of the U. S., and the individual liberties enshrined in our Constitution and Bill of Rights are of no consequence. If these good folks do not like our laws and our policies I would suggest, most respectfully of course, that they emigrate to the U. S., apply for citizenship and thereby be granted the right to vote and the right to petition our government for the redress of their grievances against our “backward and stupid” laws.
While the US per-capita fire-arms related deaths is higher than most developed nations, there are quite a few nations with significantly higher rates: Venezuela has a rate nearly 10 times that of the USA – ref was the recent article: http://www.vidalatinasd.com/news/2014/jan/07/former-miss-venezuela-husband-killed-by-would-be/
HDonnell, you are a liar and a punk. Only several places in America have those kind of statistics, and ALL of those place absolutely FORBID the possession of firearms by citizens (if you can call several million uneducated, unwilling to be educated, godless, fatherless, hopeless animals living in government housing, on government foodstamps, collecting government welfare checks and slaughtering each other indiscriminately, citizens) Go check your facts you moron.
Go look at the highest murder rate in the world, moron. Honduras already has all the gun control laws that you want here in America. God I hate Democrats…….
This is not true! I have done studies on this and know better. The big exceptions be Washington DC and Chicago.
And we don’t care whether “they” think we are backward…
If you don’t like it, leave…
Or get one of your heroes ( Schumer, Cuomo, Feinstein, ( insert other socialist rat’s name here ) to change the law where we turn in our firearms like Goering required the Jews to do in Germany…
Seriously… Leave, if you’re scared…
Go to Australia. You should feel more safe there. All guns were confiscated from the people and destroyed. So, now, they are totally “protected” by a “benevolent” government, if you believe there is such a thing. And, you, therefore, logically believe Australia is “crime free” and everyone is safe and no more people get killed there. And, therefore, you believe Australia is the most “forward” country and “smartest” country in the world. If you believe that, I will pray for you. Good Luck.
HDonnell – you are totally wrong on your facts – the U.S.A. is # 101 in per capita murder with guns — and guess what the 100 countries above us all have gun ownership bans
Are you incapable of rational thought? So tell, us, other than anal retention and gun control, what other aspects of nazi legislation do you endorse? One other thing, why do you worship the rest of the world? If you like these oligarchies so much, just move there and live in them…
and as a typical lefty you simply state” facts” that are non existent
Wrong. Almost every citizen of Switzerland has an assault rifle and they are very pro-gun. It’s kept them safe for hundreds of years not “neutrality”.
Ignorant left-wing doosh.
Well, I notice that 16 months on the commenter never came back to defend his tripe (surprise, surprise!!), but for the edification of the rest here’s what I’d ask if he had the balls to really argue his point:
1) Why is it a grotesque comparison? (Abstraction is difficult, if you’re not trained at a young age, to do it. Since the “Progressive” schools came about in 1920, that is the first skill deleted from their curriculum.)
2) America is NO where near the top of the list of violence, especially if your sift out a few groups, groups that overwhelmingly tend left/Democrat/”liberal” (an example of semantic infiltration, covering for reactionary/totalitarian). Consider the news about Mexico, Central and South America currently. In Phoenix, for example, a metro area of some 4500 square miles, 95% of the shootings are confined to two subset areas of about 40 and 25 square miles.
3) As some below have pointed out, some nations such as Switzerland and Israel MANDATE gun ownership. Sift out the scumbag Muslims and Israel’s crime is virtually zero.
4) The “rest of the world has shown noting less than overwhelming barbarity throughout it’s history. Further, it’s often been a point of derision again people who worry about “…what the neighbors will think.
So, smart-ass punk, before your shoot off your mouth about right-wing-between-the-lines, understand that reality is what it is, not what your schizophrenic head wants it to be.
Ted Kennedy has killed more people than all of my guns combined, just ask Mary Jo…..
you just read how Jews were treated … @ 1/3 of the world Jewish population killed off … and you say the USA has the most firearm related deaths … add the Russian and other communist country murder/exterminations, that dont have our 2nd amendment rights, and you have a good reason to maintain an armed population … it will not happen here any time soon. Defend your family your friends and neighbors …. buy a defensive weapon and enough ammunition.
Who would take elderly peoples means of defense against thugs rotating thru the prison system … power hungry socialist thugs like the Nazi’s. (and they are still after Gods people)
America does NOT have the most firearm related killings per capita in the world (and the only reason the USA is as high up on the list as it is, is the inner city gang-related murders. The rural areas with a higher rate of weapons per capita are much safer).
Yes, the USA does have the most guns per capita in the world. However, many countries (e.g. the Nordic countries) have a lot more gunowners. Each gun owner just has less guns.
The LEFTISTS in the rest of the developed world sees America as backwards and stupid in this regard, but guess what, you and the rest of the lefties does not represent the whole developed world.
“shall not be infringed” Deal with it!
Correlation is not causation. The vast majority, something like 99 percent of gun owners shoot no one, ever. A tiny fraction of the populace engages in the vast majority of shootings, typically inner city nonsense. Facts written about everywhere except the New York times are abundant. That you believe what you are told by the press and political whores,and their slaves. Try some critical thinking for a change, research the stats yourself, and stop believing things you are told to believe. That even includes this site… You have to take responsibility for learning. As Steven said, gun free zones seem to attract guns. Why do you suppose that is?
Steven, I appreciate the new about.
Steven – great piece. I would like to use some of these articles on my YouTube Channel, HAGGZ51. I would like to refer the viewers to you at this web site (or another if you prefer).
This just makes me numb! I am beyond terrified for my country.
How dare you bring FACTS into a matter involving the murder of millions of persons by a regime which confiscated all firearms from them prior to HERDING THEM INTO GAS CHAMBERS…?
What is MORE important, is what the WORLD “thinks” about us…
IS Lucan Hayder embarrassed by MILLIONS of men, women & CHILDREN being MURDERED WITH POISON GAS ??
And you know that, because??
And if the Jews of Germany, which comprised less than 1% of the population did have guns, do you think they would have mounted a rebellion against the Nazi SA thugs?
Read about the Warsaw uprising.
Humanity Crawling In Darkened 3arth Is Our Holocaust
I am a proud and well armed Jew and your article is spot on. The majority of Jews are suicidal morons who act in detriment to their own survival. Will Grigg wrote of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising and how the Nazis were glad they imposed gun control before the revolt.
It is a grotesque scenario and people like you who refuse to open your eyes and see what’s happening should be ashamed.
You should learn from history, it always repeats. Do you think the Germans ever anticipated what atrocities Hitler would commit??
Given this excessive reaction to against a whole group of people for the act of one person, they should have.
That sounds familiar
For what that group has done to this country pursuing childish, irrational, fantasies and trying to make them law without being bothered by whether they are constitutional or not, I for one have nothing but spite and malice for “that group.”
In the past 30 years we have had an average of 10 child/school/mass related shootings per year. Those have averaged to an average of 100 deaths per year. In that time we have enacted a medley of useless gun laws, none of which changed this average or made kids safer. And yet after this shooting in Connecticut we are given immediate histrionics and threats about taking as many guns away from us as they can, despite the lack of logic from anyone concerned. So how should he be ashamed of this comparison? Instead of a worthless comment that shows your ignorance, spend some time asking what they hope to achieve by taking our guns. Read up on the stats of the UK, which banned guns over a decade ago, and realize how high their gun murder rates are. Read, educate yourself and think before you play the “we’ll never be like Hiter” card.
The UK’s ‘high’ gun murder rate is still nothing compared to the US one. (Sort by ‘Homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 pop’ and see what I mean).
It also must be taken into account that, on average, the UK experiences more crime per capita than the US. (see link).
The violent crime rate in the UK is eight times higher times higher than in the US. Most places in the US are extremely safe. Take your meds.
If correlation is causation, please explain Swiss firearm ownership and homicide rates.
Additionally, as USA gun sales have increased, the homicide rate has declined precipitously.
This is the link I intended to post:
Most of those crimes were committed by registered Democrats, BTW. Maybe we should confiscate all Democrats. Progressive Democrats created the answer to preventing their getting guns for the most part, already. Its called the NCIS database and is maintained by the FBI. Typically, they passed it in the heat of the moment and refuse to fund it adequately. States like California also aren’t enforcing and funding their part, either. We don’t need more legislation or confiscation, just funding. The NRA has pointed this out repeatedly, but is ignored because the end game of confiscation isn’t supported by this database. Freedom hangs in the balance in this country because of cowardly nut jobs like you.
The UK had virtually NO gun crime before 1900, and very little before about 1970 when they went “whole hog” on gun control.
Seems like an inverse effect, no?
It’s only grotesque because Americans are apathetic enough to let this happen again. The comparison is absolutely valid. Well reported and documented Mr. Goddard.
You only have to visit this blog for a week or less to find that it rarely gets out of the sewer and into the gutter, and never out of the gutter and into civilized society
PatN, the Holocaust denier.
Actually I am beginning to rethink. Maybe I do need to go out and buy myself some guns to protect myself from all the poor, angry white male trash armed to the teeth in all those neo-nazi, white supremacist and other assorted militias that have exploded in number, because of their primordial fear of and anger at having an African American as President (kind of like the fear and anger you project).
Come to think of it, if the Native Americans had had guns, they could have defended their land from the poor white trash, illegal immigrant terrorists from Europe. Perhaps that might have prevented the American holocaust inflicted on them by the gun toting white trash immigrants.
And if blacks in Africa had had guns maybe they could have resisted being captured into slavery by the rich southern white trash. You know those same rich southern white trash in all the red states of the old south dominating the country. the old south of the rich withe trash has indeed risen again.
No denying the poor and rich white trash american holocaust and slavery
@PATn, you are a jackass. The african BLACKS rounded up and sold their own people into slavery. Thank you for putting your public education on display.
PATn you really hate poor white people. Your racism is abhorrent.
So easy for you to forget all the “poor white trash” that gave their lives in the the civil war to free the Afro Americans. More US soldiers died to give you your freedom than slaves died at the hands of their white owners. No white man went hunting for slaves in Africa. Most slaves brought to the US where sold on the Ivory coast by other Africans. The Black man sold the Black man to the white man. Most slaves became slaves, by being prisoners of war through tribal wars.They where enslaved, abused, and mistreated long before they ever saw “poor white trash.” If it wasn’t for “poor white trash” there would still be slavery. Your uneducated comments show your racism.
…and if the dinosaurs had guns… lol
PatN you are liberal trash…enjoy the deathcamp
u made a great argument against gun control. is it really wise to look to other people in government to protect you? y would that b necessary if u could protect yourself? govt isn’t the answer. never was and never will b.
Typical… Your argument is invalid so here come the “your a racist”. It has nothing to do with race it has to do with the systematic destruction of our great nation. Are all of you antigun people willing to die to try and take them from us? We are sure as hell willing to die to keep them. Who is going to take them away from us? Being a military man for 15 years I know zero soldiers who are anti gun. Most of the police force are all pro gun also except for the power hungry pieces of shit that are brain washed like you are. So what are you gonna do throw rocks at us? The day they try to ban guns is the day the second American revolution will start…
If Blacks had had guns after the Civil War, that great Democrat organization, the Ku Klux Klan would never have gotten off the ground. The Democrat party owned the entire South until the era of Martin Luther King, a Republican. I left the south to leave slime ball Democrat behind. An awful lot of that rich southern white trash still hold positions in local Democrat parties in the South. Read some history before you unleash all that crap and expose your National Socialist People’s Party (reference the Weimar Republic) self.
Gun control was first invented in American by Democrats in the South to prevent Blacks from arming themselves. The NRA’s early mission was to counter that, so Blacks could defend themselves from the KKK.
Perhaps the American Indian (anyone born in this country is Native American by the way) could have better defended the land had he had the same fire power as white europeans – which makes them a case in point: Individuals or societies with guns are better able to protect themselves.
As for the fear of having an African American president, I was under the impression he was simply an “American” and he is only half black – the other half is white. By the way, having read the comments, I don’t recall anyone making reference to the president at all.
As for the “rich southern white trash” and slavery – get a real history book (one before you socialists began to rewrite it) the slave trade from Africa was instigated and continued by europeans long before we became a nation.
I was also under the impression that the “red states” lost the last election and we are currently dominated by National Democratic Socialists (yes Pat this is a reference to prewar Germany), radical feminists (ring a bell with you Pat?), and mostly anyone who thinks they know better than others how to run their own lives.
Total BS. Crawl out from under the rock and see the world in reality. Unicorns are parked on the left. We don’t like Obama because he is a Marxist. Same reason we don’t like lily white Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, Biden etc. etc.
So you admit in your hate filled racist rant, that it IS good for everybody to be armed.
If you only could turn the coin right-side up and blame modern blacks for about 90% of gun crime in the U.S.
you’d have spent a few moments in a non libtarded zone.
If blacks in Africa had guns they could have defended themselves against the brown and blacks who held sway over them hundreds of years, yes; and they could have also MAYBE kept the white people out.
But it all comes down to you
being a virulent hate filled race baiting bigot, without the brains to think BEFORE you listed all the ways you’re wrong.
By the way it was Democrats who told the United States to criminalize blacks and Mexicans because of the OTHER chemistry scam: Pot’s Like Heroin.
So you’re in the party of
pot like heroin chemistry scam
chemistry can’t calculate the temperature of air scam
disarming the innocent so they can be slaughtered scam.
I really don’t think you should get a gun, because you are paranoid and irrational. If you do get one, it is proof that the mental health checks aren’t working.
Did you notice that the LA cop killer is a huge Obama fan?
Patty, I hope you use those exact words when you apply. 😆
I’ll have no trouble getting a gun. I’ve got a high level security clearance.
Pat, If you had ever gone through the process, you would know that your security clearance has nothing to do with obtaining a firearms.
Knowing you have a high level security clearance is more frightening than not having a gun for protection.
Did the FBI miss the part about you being paranoid and prone to violence, or was that a part of the job description?
Yeah thar Patty, and What I said earlier! 😆
as I start my taxes, I just wanted to say a heartfelt thank you to each and every one of you for paying your federal taxes which have in turn paid me a very nice wage for decades.
unreal another parasite.
At least we work and pay taxes.
Many comments have stated that you are unable to see what is coming down the road; I disagree. You are helping orchestrate it.
Your welcome, Hope you enjoy it while it last. 😆
Nice to have you posting on blogs at taxpayer expense.
It’s OK, it’s past COB. And I invoice them by the hour anyway.
PatN, you really need to learn history. White trash illegal immigrants were not the ones who brought slavery to America. The first slave owners in America were BLACK, and they themselves came from Africa, enslaving their own countrymen. Get a clue you stupid twit!
Pat… Where’d ya go? I wanted to get some additional info on the “native-americans had no guns to defend themselves” issue. Please share further details… Thanks in advance.
PatN apparently likes sloshing around in this “sewer” since he/she frequents this blog!
U r a dipstick! U will be the 1st to the ovens!
Can u explain why DHS is looking to purchase 7000 fully automatic weapons to be used domestically? I hope u have an asbestos jacket.
My father (a Pole but not a Jew) lived through this and was arrested and spent 4 years in Auschwitz. The Poles were murdered and brutalized by the Russians and the Germans. When confronted by the evidence on how a government can seize control of a people, you have the unmitigated gall to refer to Steven Goddard’s proof as a “grotesque comparison”. YOU should be ashamed of your ignorance of history and of your naivety in believing that this could never happen again. All of the signs are there that it could; the outlandish stock-piling of military vehicles, equipment, uniforms, arms and ammunition by our government rather than our military.
Our founding fathers provided us with the foresight and the tools to protect ourselves from that ever happening to us, but sadly you believe in the fallacy that the government and grocery store will provide for you despite generations of unarmed Russians, North Koreans and Chinese (to name a few) proving to the world that the government is not to be wholly trusted.
The official phase of Obama’s socialist anti tea-party campaign was opened today with a law forbidding conservatives from possessing firearms or other weapons.
This law was the first of a series designed to effect a “permanent solution” of the radical small government conservative problem.
It forbids conservatives from buying, owning or carrying guns, ammunition or weapons designed for striking or thrusting. Conservatives now possessing such weapons must deliver them to the police at once under pain of fine or imprisonment up to five years. Foreigners and illegal immigrants may be exempted at the discretion of Attorney General Eric Holder.
It was announced that all conservative business and professional activity had been permanently closed in Chicago, the birthplace of the benevolent liberal party and forth city of the United States.
Mayor Anthony Cuomo and Hillary Clinton former senator for New York made an announcement today and disclosed that thousands of anti-gay, pro second amendment, conservatives had been arrested Thursday throughout the U.S. and were held as hostages.
Mayor Cuomo stated that the conservative owned art objects in New York were being confiscated.
Eight thousand conservatives were arrested in D.C. alone it was estimated
What is more disturbing is your inability to see what is coming down the road right us. No one wanted to believe this in Germany and Austria. And as .the crack down began folks living there just assumed it was some one else who was the victim and the state was just doing its job.
Humanity Crawling On Darkened 3arth Is Our Holocaust
Call it grotesque if you like, but if Jews had been armed, the Holocaust would have been impossible.
Time for the wise freedom loving hard working red blooded PROUD AMERICANS to start standing up for whats right and stop letting this rot called political correctness turning us into a bunch of timid sheep.
FYI- Prior to 1938 of November, Jews were allowed to own, buy, and carry guns. Remember, most of the Jews started to flee the country from passing of the Nuremberg Laws in 1935 where they were made virtually non-citizens and the writing was on the wall. They had lots of time to arm and stockpile ammunition.
The German citizenry themselves were not un-armed as well and were encouraged to own and train in weapons. The Italian and Spanish Fascists were the same. They loved that their citizenry had firearms, as it was part of that weird masculine ideal promoted by fascists. Post WWII, many Eastern Bloc countries had privately armed militias that gladly did the will of the state.
Gun Owners do not equal Freedom Lovers.
It always amazes me how lefties find a way to miss the entire point of the discussion.
Not a leftie. Registered libertarian. I just don’t like misinfo spread.
Bullshit. The Nazis disarmed the Jews right before they killed them, and you are a fraud.
No, he is correct. Fascist (RIGHT WING) states always rely upon the militarized public to do their dirty work. In fact, it isn’t the crack-down on Jewish gun ownership that predicted their subsequent massacre, but the saturation of the rest of German society with ultra-nationalist ideals and lots of weapons that allowed Hitler to take control and carry on the holocaust. The American right is analogous to Spain, Italy, Germany, and much of the Eastern bloc prior to the rise of authoritarianism and the Tea-Party represents just the kind of proto-fascistic organization that came to patrol the streets (the Black Shirts) intimidating the public and supporting the Regime. Don’t forget the origin of the terms Right and Left. In Parliament, the governors sat on the right, and the demos (literally the masses, or the people) sat on the left. An action in the interest of the oligarchical ethnic elite was therefore defined as RIGHT WING, and one in the interest of the people as LEFT WING. You are no different than the Greek Golden Dawn or the English Defense League, you are a typical extremist right wing organization, and would do nothing but destroy the left (the people! Yeah, sometimes they’re not white and protestant and it’s obvious how much you hate that) as soon as you gained the power to do so. Long live the PEOPLE, Long live the LEFT, Strive for EGALITARIANISM and justice, not profit and discrimination.
The Nazi party was SOCIALIST!
BIG Government, just like the Democrats and Progressives.
The Nazis were the “National SOCIALIST Party”.
Better get used to misinformation. That’s what this site is all about. Without misinformation, disinformation and outright lies they’d have nothing to say.
Yeah because the government “Always portrays the correct information”. Any educated individual reads into these things. You sound like a racist ass. You killed your power to inform when you became bitter in your love affair with the blog administer. Seriously Pat, grow up. The whole point was that the government has a tendency to exercise their power of authority when the citizens are unarmed. As far as Hitler, he had most of the world fooled into believing that the Jews were inferior. But, their government promoted discrimination and gave the citizens power, which doesn’t seem like brainwashing at all when the government lets you exercise your own power? We are all sheep. Wake Up. We are not free. And it’s people like you that keep the American people from being able to stand together and fight for their rights. The media and the government separates us so that the main focus is on who is right and who is wrong… well guess what? Neither of us are soley right. Get over it. Put all of the energy toward something more important, not just your ego’s!
Are you and your idiotic ilk so truly brainwashed? Take the blinders off your eyes and start thinking for yourselves for Chrissake.
The Tea Party wants smaller government and adherence to the Constitution. That is why they are hated by the Marxist left.
Like what your doing now Patty! 😆
My prior comment was directed to PatN, not Candice Bruckner.
Perhaps you could be more specific Pat, inside of blurting out paranoid ramblings. Are you a Holocaust Denier?
I am not a nazi holocaust denier.
But we do know that you are a global warming denier and an American holocaust denier.
PAT: Being a global warming denier is ok…
Denying BULLSHlT is ALWAYS ok…
Speaking of BULLSHlT, get you another BIG BITE of that BULLSHlT SANDWICH fed to you by your messiah, that Community Organizer who was elected by racists who voted for him simply because their skin color matched…
That’s racism, right ??
Voting for someone simply because the candidate & the voter have the same skin color ?
Do you ever use any actual facts or citations in your mindless ad hom attacks?
Steve: Pat has a “security clearance”… He / she / it doesn’t need “facts”…
He invoices us by the hour — just like the worthless scum that drags your tax dollars out of your earnings every day.
The German National Socialist Party started life as advocates of a Green agenda, anti-capitalist, and pro-green economy, it was not till later that they found out it was for other ideal as well.
It is fruitless to argue with someone who refuses to see the truth.
As for this topic, it’s one feature of Nazism that I’d never seen pointed out and verified — thank you for doing so. As for the premise of parallels to America (and the world) in 2014: it has been said, “if it looks like a duck, and it walks like a duck, it probably is a duck.”
Same here, Schmoe. I didn’t know the details about Goering essentially putting every Jew under individual house arrest & requiring a particular faith-group ( Jews ) to be financially responsible for the act(s) of others simply on the premise that those responsible were of that same faith.
It’s only fair !!!
Some slave-owners WERE WHITE !!!
Accordingly, whites need to pay…
Nazi concentration camps started in 1933 and Jews were starting to be imprisoned at that time. The Nuremberg Laws started in 1935. Until November, 1938, Jews could own, buy, and carry firearms like other Germans. They did need a permit for handguns (like other Germans). The gun laws did change in April of 1938, that forbid Jews from manufacturing or owning a business that sold firearms, until the final straw with the edict in November 1938.
Many Jews did fight back with their household firearms, but battling an organized militarized police force and an armed greater German citizenry willing to rat you out with your rifle was just delaying the horrible.
Everyone dies. Read up on the Warsaw ghetto uprising. You sound like a very confused individual
Thank you for making my point with Warsaw ghetto uprising. Hand guns and rifles will delay the inevitable, but in the end you are dead with the only hope of becoming a martyr. Honorable, but for 99% of us, it plays out the same whether your are a peaceable protester or loon in a bunker.
I’d hate believe that is what all of our revolutionary war forefathers believed. The Colonial era British sound an awful lot like your “organized military police force”. Still, using the same guns they hunted with and protected their families with George Washington’s band of misfits managed to defeat the Superpower of that era.
The reason for the Second Amendment was to make it very difficult for the government to deny American citizens their constitutional rights. They were very much aware of the counter arguments, especially armed civil unrest (18th century term for organized crime) but determined that the threat from an oppressive government trumped all other concerns. Succinctly, crime can inflict individual harm but an oppressive regime leaves the citizenry with nowhere to turn. The harm a totalitarian regime can inflict cannot be measured except in the terrible math of the 20th century.
The goal was for the government to always be a little afraid of its citizenry. But a disarmed citizenry enslaved by government regulation of every aspect of their lives, constantly monitored without permission and taxed to the point that every working minute for the first five months of the year must be devoted to funding the government, is an easy target for totalitarians.
That is one of the most idiotic comments I have seen
Agreed. TO RANDOM WALKER: Take another BIG BITE of that BULLSHlT SANDWICH served up by your messiah, that punk-aas in the whitehouse…
And, your other idols: Feinstein, Schumer, Waxman, Wasserman-Schultz
Just 2.5 minutes of a great TV work from Jacob Bronowski and his program The Ascent of Man.
The arrogance of man believing they know all the answers and the outcome from this.
So you solution is the curl up in a corner and die quietly when you’re shot by the military?
The American situation CAN differ from the German one; there, they first demonized the Jews so the populace turned against them.
Here, they’ll demonize gun-owners; already it’s begun, likening them to rednecks, to domestic terrorists, making them “those disgusting hicks over there”. Un-human. Undermensch.
If they succeed, your fellow “Americans” will turn you in just as the Germans did their Jewish neighbors.
And THAT’S the trick–stand together, refuse to accept guilt for Sandy Hook etc, and remain mainstream.
They’ve over-reached. Gun culture has become so popular in the last twenty years they won’t reverse it before they’re too broke to enforce a confiscation. It’s a race between the fiat debt-dollar’s death and the death of the Republic. It’s 40/60 in our favor.
On an encouraging note: I’ve never seen an Elite meme vivisected and (partially) discredited as fast as Sandy Hook. The half-life on false-flags is shrinking as fast as they can create them. It took years before serious 911 dissections reached fever-pitch.
This is what happens to a populace that does not fight back. There are insurgencies all over the world fighting better armed and equipped modern troops. Unfortunately, we as Americans resist fighting back as long as possible but after reading the venomous lib blogs, I would not trust my fellow citizens to not turn me in. It is all conditioning. My wish as a Conservative is simply to be left alone to make my own way in life rather than have the busybodies tell me how to live and think correctly.
The Jews were being oppress in Germany years before 1933.
The Nazi party (aka The National Socialist Party of Germany) took it upon themselves to incite hatred and violence against Jews and outsiders from their start. In all local election were the Nazi stood Jews, and those perceived as degenerate, were harassed into not voting, and sometimes just murdered. Often in towns and municipalities were the Nazis held power these ‘outsiders’ had all their belongings confiscated or just burned.
The Nazi Party was also the green party in Germany and was anti-capitalist (as this was run by many Jewish entities), and for a green (mainly agrarian) economy. The idea of the “blood and the soil is what makes the people of Germany” was the mantra of these demented socialists.
Please read some history and get educated.
or just use
for a better historical perspective.
I’m glad to have made an impression upon you.
You did indeed !!!
( but, the toothless, welfare-locked moron who was a YouTube sensation with his / her joyful ranting about getting his / her OBAMA-PHONE, made an impression as well… )
Are you enjoying YOUR obama-phone ??
The Nazis disarmed the jews before they killed them? Excuse my pardon, and detailing historical facts? Proved by Google archives? Sorry Steven, if you claim to be about real science maybe you should make yourself familiar with real history.
Playing the Nazi card in the debate about gun control is really a bad draw. And throwing in the holohoax for good measure? Wow, you outdid yourself.
I take it you are an idiot and incapable of reading?
Thank you, you proved my point.
Were the Jews armed when they had them strip & enter the gas chambers ??
They WERE DISARMED BEFORE THEY WERE MURDERED…
Not just stupid… Kfuc-ing stupid…
Yes you have demonstrated that you are a complete moron
“And throwing in the holohoax for good measure? ”
Yes you are right, it never happened. You will be a very useful asset in Obama’s war on reality.
“… holohoax …” Seriously? You mean all of those picture and video I have seen of the holocaust are just hallucinations? The first hand accounts by WWII vets, just a conspiracy? Really?
Now imagine, just how much bigger of a conspiracy would the holocaust be compared to the AGW conspiracy? hmmm? You mean to tell me they were able to convince millions of people into a conspiracy of genocide? And not one single peep from anyone?
I have dog shit in my backyard smarter than you are!
How can anyone deny the Holocaust? Seriously? People who think they know it all hold the power to destroy other beings. How often has the history book left vital information out? Or skewed the info? Who can we even believe besides those whom lived through the horrible experience and during that ERA? People who profess over textbooks and google should be ashamed of their ability to readily accept information.
Steven, I am afraid that we have become a country of simple minded sheep who are willing to abandon everything we grew up with at the sign of any trouble. That is why we have Obama, we have the Climate Change hysteria and how are freedom to bear arms my well go away.
I have a co-worker (a civil engineer) from India who is a huge US history buff who reads every US history book he can find and watches every US history documentary on the airwaves. Recently he told me that figured out why nearly every important invention in the last 200 years came from the US- It is the freedom to hold private property.
Without the freedom to bear arms we will easily become slaves to the state, our property nationalized and become a surf doom as Europe once was. In the last two decades I have seen corporate interests and a new ruling class evolve. Politicians like Barack Obama claim to represent the middle class while streathening the power of corporate interests by regulating any potential competition out of existence. In addition, the tax policy desired by Obama will prevent individuals from reaching higher levels while securing the positions of those already at the top in the name of fairness.
Thank you for your constant vigilance in regards to the tricks used to force our submission as a way of saving the earth from AGW.
Thank you. For once, I read a comment that had something to offer up to the table besides criticism. You are right in your accusations against our government, atleast I believe so. People think that by working hard we can achieve the American Dream, so has many other immigrants who have came to the US. But, in reality, the AD is impossible. The rich will become more rich and at a higher rate than the poor will become more poor. To me, the power of the banks and the power of our government is a hoax. Modern currency is valueless. The government protects themselves. The people have to fend for themselves. People who don’t understand those whom are against the government’s agenda probably are middle class. From the standpoint of a “minority” or impoverished citizen, the government seeks nothing but that of personal gain. But, who doesn’t anymore?
That is the one thing that we can all agree on in the history books. Capitalism and free trade and what it has done to make the poor, even more poor. The power is in the hands of the wealthy, and they protect their interests. I’m sure even in earlier times, the rich would take resources from other countries at dirt cheap prices and turn them into products in another country and then sold to anyone. But, why aren’t those countries just industrialized to make their own products from their own resources? Competition. Everyone is out for themselves and which has become the culture of Americans… Individual gain, instant gratification. I don’t claim to be accurate, but I do claim to know a little about how the government has affected me. And if you want my opinion, taking the right to bear arms away from people only aids to more violence. There won’t strip us of our second Ammendment, however, I would worry about what they’re doing behind closed doors while we bicker about the gun control.
You know Candice I do believe you are correct. As an American who was raised to ALWAYS..be fair ALWAYS..be honest ALWAYS..do the right thing..I look around at my so, so gains and start to recall all the cheating liars that have somehow managed to purchase real estate and magnificent homes. they didn’t play fair and were rewarded. I did the right thing and have been punished for it.
If Cruz gets my Mini-14 banned by talking too much, I am going to be really pissed. Does he want them to ban even more guns?
I don’t believe that was his intent.
“Gun Control’s” Nazi Connection
Startling evidence suggests that the Gun Control Act of 1968
was lifted, almost in its entirety, from Nazi legislation.
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
They also have a good documentary somewhere on their site.
The Holocaust began with gun control, ergo gun control leads to Holocausts? You really couldn’t make up this kind of junior school debating society logic. There are plenty of “free” countries around the world that don’t rely on armed citizenry keeping governments “honest”. It says more about the kind of sick society that the USA has become that you seem to think you need guns, guns and more guns. What is this childish attachment to the 2nd Amendment?
Yes, your logic is juvenile. Hitler did exactly the same thing Obama is doing – using a shooting as en excuse to disarm people. I’m sorry that you can’t think clearly.
Have you ever read any of the reasons why the founding fathers wanted us to be armed? Did you know that the violent crime rate in the UK is eight times higher than in the US?
Your head is filled with baseless propaganda.
Do you want to make a wager that Obama doesn’t initiate a holocaust on the American public in the next four years? I’ll even give you odds. We’ll put the money in escrow with defined conditions. Name your amount.
What a stupid question,
Do I want to make wager that lefties willfully ignore all the warning signs of tyranny?
When it comes to historical rigour, you leave so much to be desired! Hitler drank water, Obama drinks water, Obama is the new Hitler. Of course, it was staring me in the face! Your ridiculous logic is akin to that of someone who has just discovered “History” via the internet. The debate appears to be about guns, not “violent crime”. We had 14 murders with firearms last year, the USA had 9369. You are childishly attached to the 2nd Amendment because you have been indoctrinated to think that to want to amend the constitution is somehow “un-American” or a betrayal of the precious “founding fathers”. Abandon useless loyalty to ancient myths and do something for the 9000+ people that die each year because you can’t be bothered to consider changing things. The Obama/Hitler comparison is puerile nonsense, though what would you expect from the Fox News/NRS vermin who have such an undeserving voice in your society?
Read and reread what you just posted……
You are an idiot.
Nobody’s buying YOUR BULLSHlT anymore…
We have a 2nd Amendment, that is part of our Constitution…
KFUC you, aashole.
Put up or shut up.
Idiot. I have no idea what Obama’s plans are. I do know that it is stupid to allow our system of checks and balances to collapse, because you mindlessly trust your messiah. Lefties are idiots.
“I have no idea what Obama’s plans are” Yeah, we know. But you’ve spent an awful amount of time pretending that you do, based on some spurious and fatuous early-teens historical comparison. I am interested in this wager too. I’ll give you £1000 if Obama enacts gun laws and then begins a Holocaust. I’ll take a dollar off you if he doesn’t. Like the man said, put up or shut up.
So you are saying you are willing to gamble with your liberties?????? Is that what your saying?????
You’re saying??? 😉
Ask the Coptic Christians in Egypt, in Lybia, and in Syria about Obama’s potential to cause a Holocaust. Obama wants to disarm peaceful rural US, but arm Islamists and Mexican drug cartels, and to bomb ME cities with no plan on how they will recover from his actions. The dude is flippin crazy.
The history of the world is full of democide, death by goverment. Most especially the twentieth century. It is foolish indeed to give them (any government) such power, and the founding Fathers of the US were wise men indeed.
No, I’m gambling with £1000. You are invited to gamble with a dollar. Like the man said, put up or shut up. If you’re so convinced that Obama is the next Hitler, you can make an easy £1000 (about 1600 US dollars). If, on the other hand, you know that you would lose a dollar by taking up the challenge, then clearly what you have posted is rubbish that you don’t even believe yourself.
Your effort to show to us that you are an idiot who thinks trying to force a bet over a complex topic is going to impress us.
The president is clearly trying to take guns from us over a single mass shooting and that is a fact you have yet to dispute factually.And he is doing it for a purpose that make many of us nervous because of his past behavior as president.
Yes, he would like tighter gun control, and that means taking guns from some people. I do not dispute that, I applaud it. You call it a “complex topic”, which it is, yet the idiot who compares Obama to Hitler isn’t treating it as such. He deserves nothing but contempt, and one of the ways in which I am showing my contempt for his simpleton’s analysis is by offering a bet. He gets odds of 1000/1. He doesn’t like those odds, because he knows the real chances of Obama “doing a Hitler” are closer to infinity than they are to 1000/1. He knows that what he has written is complete and utter garbage.
To go along with this, has anyone even read up on the missing links between those shootings? It made no sense. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think those shootings were only to persuade us to diminish the 2nd Amendment? Let alone that mentally distorted beings are able to get their hands on automatics anyways, regardless of the law. People so used to instant gratification would only revolt once weapons were prohibited. Uneducated people have no idea what the President is capable of, and it is clear that his intentions do not bear in mind the well being of this nation.
Both Sandy Hook and Aurora reek of involvement by third parties.
I’m betting that this tyranny can be stopped through education via the Internet.
That claim is not falsifiable. Remember the title of your thread, “The Holocaust Began With Gun Control – After A Shooting”. That is a very clear claim that you are making.
Or are you finally admitting that the causes of genocide/holocaust are extremely complex and nuanced and thoughtful consideration about the impact of newly proposed state and federal laws on the 2nd Amendment is what we need right now?
Yes, the claim I am making is that the Holocaust began with gun control after a shooting. What part of being a leftie makes people stupid?
So there is no causal relationship between gun control in Nazi Germany and the Jewish Holocaust. It was just a temporal thing?
Any connection between the two events is strictly coincidental and you started this thread for what reason? To teach a timeline of events? What connection does it have to the modern day U.S.?
Are you mental? They rounded up the guns on November 18, and started rounding up the people on November 19. Hopefully you aren’t as stupid as you pretend to be.
The Dutch in in the 1700’s didn’t like all the Chinese merchants in Batavia (now Java) competing with them. They decided they were going to kill them all. First they rounded up the guns, saying they were dangerous. The Dutch with smiles on their friendly faces, in an orderly fashion, piled the guns on carts and took them away. Then they killed 30,000 unarmed Chinese.
No, they started rounding up people six years before November 18th.
Not in Berlin, where the guns were confiscated.
I always wonder what motivates people like you, whose sole purpose is to introduce nonsense into a discussion.
Give me a cite that they only started rounding up people in Berlin from November 19th and not from 1933 and 1935.
You can’t round up an armed person. You might be able to kill them, but you can’t haul them away.
Do you want to bet armed Americans can be rounded up and put into camps?
…because it already happened on a mass scale.
Put up or shut up you inadequate little dweebs. The bet is on the table. Take it or don’t. If you don’t, we may reach our own conclusions about how much faith you have in your ludicrous bullshit opinions.
You are a complete moron. The only prediction I have made is that stupid people like you will continue to wreck the US.
Why do you even waste your time with these buffoons??
You sound like some idiot out of some badly translated Japanese anime.
No bet then? Twelve years after the Bush coup, when you sat on your fat McDonalds backsides and did nothing, you’re worried about a coup? It already happened. You did NOTHING. If they want you dead, you will die. Your gun will be of no use.
Hardly anyone here has a gun. None of us have been “rounded up” as a result. This asinine, pathetic, spurious, child-like comparison is indicative of the mentality of so many of your countrymen. “We want freedom”. Planes crash into buildings… “We give up freedom, we want the government to protect us”. Rambo-esque posturing that evaporates at the first sign of trouble.
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Mass-shootings in the USA in the last three decades: 62
Amount of the above that were halted by an armed citizen with a gun: 0
Nope. He shot himself.
“Silence is golden”
“Conclusion: People like to think they would “do something” when confronted by a rampaging, gun-carrying lunatic. They almost always do nothing, except run and hide. They like to think they are Rambo. They aren’t.”
Hey Petey! Try breaking into my house and see who runs off with wet panties. 😆
Most people in a life or death situation will grab for a rock,stick,club,climb a tree anything to defend themselves.Take cover behind rock,tree,building, car etc. or retreat, run…None are shameful or less than the other.If it works & you survive, great.
Come on, take the bet. Your expert historical analysis has identified Obama as the next Hitler (who, in an amazing coincidence, also had two arms and two legs…wow, how will Obama explain that?) and you stand to make over a thousand dollars by risking just a single dollar. What’s not to like? The only person who wouldn’t accept the bet is someone who knows they are talking out of their rear end.
You are an extremely foolish person who willfully chooses to ignore danger signs and ignore the lessons of history. You take comfort in facile nonsense.
And what could be more facile than comparing Obama to Hitler?
I’m sure that Obama has a completely different set of plans from Hitler. Your ability to reason seems to have been locked in at a about age 2.
Do you think that Germans supported Hitler during the 1930s because they believed he was a monster? Do you think Germans are evil and stupid? Pull you head out of your ass. The warning signs of trouble with Obama are written in bright red.
Is he comparing Obama to Hitler? No, he’s pointing out the connection between eliminating the right to bear arms and the subjugation of peoples. It’s not just Obama but a large chunk of his party that continually expresses this desire. Like it or not, the Dems are the party of the ever increasing state. An armed populace is the ultimate check on their power. It is in their interest to remove this check. If you would ever bother to read the words of the authors of the Constitution you would understand this.
The United States had it’s birth in armed revolution and will probably see its death in armed revolution, someday. In the meantime we will just have to put up with you insufferable, ungrateful European twats.
Sorry, but this “ultimate check on their power” stuff is just ridiculous. Maybe 200 years ago it was. Not any more. For starters it assumes some kind of unity amongst every single gun owner against a government attempting some kind of coup. How fanciful is that? We have no “right” to bear arms in many places here in twattish Europe, despite a history that has more despots, nutcases and lunatics than you lot have ever had, even including Reagan and Dubya. This mistrust of government would be appealing in a way if you didn’t back-pedal the moment the next “boogeyman” rears his head. When he does, you fall over yourselves in the rush to be protected by the government (or were well-armed militias protecting the skies in the days following 9/11?) If the government want you, they will get you. Your silly little gun that you use to play Rambo with isn’t going to stop them. I find it staggering that people think they can stop the US Government with a gun. You had a coup there 12 years ago and I don’t recall any of you grabbing your guns and marching down to Florida to confront the leaders of the coup. Or did I miss that?
Did the patriots bear arms against the tyranny of the crown? Did anyone take any bets on that? The truth is what becomes reality. Controlling others by force is the problem. Defending against tyranny is the solution. Bet on what you want. I await the truth…. and I do so with my observations of the past. God help us all.
Andrew, what a clown you are. You should take it on the road, there’s already enough moron Progressives (and other Marxists) for you to make a living. Nobody said that Obama would be the next Hitler, only that his ineffective (at stopping gun violence that is) gun control measures would lay the groundwork for confiscations and create the conditions necessary (a defenseless populace) for a dictatorship to come to power. Your argument is a red herring, a “straw Man” argument. Who knows if Obama will start the next holocaust. But, without wide ownership of guns, dictatorship is much more likely. Marxists are dedicated to their evil, so it is still possible even with wide gun ownership. But, I doubt you are smart enough, or rational enough, to even consider this possibility. And THAT’S why you support Obama.
He tried taking it on the road and nobody wants to hear it. His website is a flop because everyone already gets MSNBC for free now.
In fact, have been responsible for more comments on his site in the last week, than all the other commenters made for the entire year! 😆
Cross posted the following at https://andrewpetercarter.wordpress.com/2013/02/11/gun-control-and-the-hitler-myth/#comment-74
“Do more research, then pontificate.
in response to false assertions:
RE: Mass-shootings in the USA in the last three decades: 62
RE: Amount of the above that were halted by an armed citizen with a gun: 0
Shooters target gun free zones, because there isn’t anyone with a gun there to stop them. Andrew is an idiot.
Like a Fort Bragg military base?
The mess hall is a gun-free zone. That is why the shooting occurred there.
I hope you aren’t stupid enough to believe that had they been armed, the soldiers wouldn’t have gunned him down in about two seconds. Are you actually that stupid?
Then the question is why doesn’t the military allow their highly trained soldiers to walk around the base with sidearms? Outside of war zones.
What do they know that you don’t?
Do honestly believe that armed US soldiers are shooting each other? The only recent cases I am aware of are Islamic terrorists infiltrating the US military.
And stevengoddard would be dead wrong again. (surprise)
Here is an epidemiological study of eight homicides at one U.S. military base over the period of 12 months. None of the perpetrators were muslim 5th columnists.
Click to access epiconreport.pdf
Murders happen everywhere. We are discussing mass shootings. Use your brain.
I don’t think he was Muslim, unless he was really deep undercover.
Are false flag ops common now to achieve an outcome?.. Was sandy hollow one?.(pro job with pro weapons..another soft target for the fall guy?)..9/11 sure as hell was…lot easier,’cleaner’ & quicker to intern unarmed people than do battle house to house…Is CONTROL the agenda?…if the NWO plan is real,disarming the population makes sense…many in U.S. would not hand over their arms though, so keeping that element to a min. would be desirable…can you trust Govs?
Oops. Fort Hood, I mean.
Although I don’t agree with you, I’ll throw you a bone. There have been several shootings at Fort Bragg as well.
Below is one. There was a worse shooting during a live fire exercise.
The military well knows that having more easy access to guns for their personnel doesn’t make them safer. Hence the FACT that outside of the gun range and war zones, only MPs and civilian base-security are normally allowed to carry guns on-base.
I suggest that you take a trip to Fort Hood and tell the soldiers that they were better off unarmed. Let us know how that goes over.
Then why hasn’t the military changed their policy?
Newtown schools just changed their policy – a month too late.
I have no idea why people make poor choices. The military makes millions of them.
RE: RandomWalker: The military well knows that having more easy access to guns for their personnel doesn’t make them safer.
Assume the obvious truth of your statement: Why why even let soldiers carry guns in war zones? They are no safer, by your own words.
I posted two articles already. Not only do guns make law abiding citizens safer, they make those around them safer. Just like a fire extinguisher, you never know when you will need one. I carry one in my vehicle. Never needed it for years. Thank goodness I continued to charge and carry my extinguisher. I saved a life, when there were no firemen around.
Both fire extinguishers and guns (violence extinguishers), in the hands of the caring… save lives.
Re: Ben “Assume the obvious truth of your statement: Why why even let soldiers carry guns in war zones? They are no safer, by your own words.” I don’t think I ever said that. I recognized that the circumstances in a Forward Operating Base in Taliban held territory is very different in terms of potential violence as a stateside supply depot?
My question is still open.
Why does the military not allow its service personnel to carry firearms on base (stateside) if it would make their personnel safer? What do they know that we don’t?
The reply, “the military is an idiot”, is not an answer (and a poor excuse for a reply).
Posse Comitatus Act and 3rd Amendment. By the way you need to read this…
The Bill of Rights: A Transcription
The Preamble to The Bill of Rights
Congress of the United States
begun and held at the City of New-York, on
Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.
THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.
ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.
Note: The following text is a transcription of the first ten amendments to the Constitution in their original form. These amendments were ratified December 15, 1791, and form what is known as the “Bill of Rights.”
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Bill Clinton banned off duty soldiers from carrying arms.
You are a complete idiot! … There is NO such policy! … There may be policies in place at certain bases, in certain areas, yada yada, but the base I used to work at (one of the largest in the country), has no such policy, and almost every person on that base carries a weapon, 24/7. You are completely full of shit!
BTW, it also happens to be the largest chemical/biological weapons storage facility on the planet…
This is where I used to work (Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane, IN):
And I can tell you, just about everyone in that room has a sidearm, just as almost every non-civilian in the 108 sq/miles that base encompasses. (I did not, I was civilian).
You are an idiot!
When did you leave the military?
I was never “IN” the military. I have worked for the DOD as a civilian contractor.
ie: I built those sorts of systems you see there…
I grew up here, and my Father worked here for 35 yrs., and I can tell you that EVERY non-civilian in that facility carries both a fully automatic weapon and a sidearm.
BTW, is also the largest plutonium enrichment facility in the world (or at least was).
When were you last at that facility then?
Also, must be hard to sit in those chairs with a sidearm on your belt.
Click to access 521056p.pdf
Essentially, MP’s and security personnel are required to carry firearms when on duty. All other personnel are allowed to carry firearms only when explicitly permitted to do so in accordance with one’s duties.
Anything to avoid the fact that armed soldiers would have prevented the massacre from happening.
Two hours ago you didn’t even know that the Fort Hood soldiers were in a gun free zone, and now you are a military expert. ROFLMAO
Yes, you have me reeling in my mistake that I admitted and corrected.
Everyone else that is interested can read the military directive for the truth on firearm policy on U.S. military installations.
The question has still not been answered. Why does the U.S. military not want their non-security staff to carry military-issued or privately owned firearms on stateside bases?
Apparently so that when an Islamists goes nuts no one will be able to defend themselves.
“In the case of Ft. Hood, it is important to bear in mind that since 1993, thanks to a policy ordered by then-President Bill Clinton, it has been essentially unlawful for individuals on military bases to carry firearms unless they are military police, or are training in firearms at a firing range.”
RandomWalker, So interesting that hundreds of thousands of police can carry in the station, at lunch, off duty. Shouldn’t they also be disarmed for their own safety except when on a call? Maybe their weapon can be stashed in a remotely controlled safe, and they can wait for permission when they need it.
“Why does the U.S. military not want their non-security staff to carry military-issued or privately owned firearms on stateside bases?”
Because it makes civilian weenies whine, and the military families who come and go every few years have enough trouble integrating into the local community. Just imagine if they all carried side arms to the grocery store. You would wet yourself, and call your congressman complaining about your recent slip and fall.
RE: RandomWalker – Why doesn’t the military change their policy?
You may be interested to know that on base in Afghanistan, the policy was as you recommended. Only certain individuals in base security could carry. The military rescinded that policy once enough soldiers were sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.
“In Afghan combat situations, all troops are armed. But at other locations, only base security forces had been regularly armed. Those troops have been called into action when insurgents have launched attacks on the base.
Coalition steps up fight against Afghan ‘green-on-blue’ attacks
Now, anyone who goes to the base headquarters would see that all troops, regardless of their tasks, carry weapons with a magazine of ammunition attached, a U.S. official confirmed.”
“So interesting that hundreds of thousands of police can carry in the station, at lunch, off duty. Shouldn’t they also be disarmed for their own safety except when on a call? Maybe their weapon can be stashed in a remotely controlled safe, and they can wait for permission when they need it.”
Off duty? Not allowed as per the military directive. Read it. Their firearms are checked back in at the cop shop at the end of shift. I can’t talk about lunch. Are MP’s off-duty during a shift because they have a sandwich in hand?
Gator: “Because it makes civilian weenies whine, and the military families who come and go every few years have enough trouble integrating into the local community. Just imagine if they all carried side arms to the grocery store. You would wet yourself, and call your congressman complaining about your recent slip and fall.”
Ahh, there is no issue about military personnel carrying their personal firearms (as per state and local laws) off-base. Although, I guess there is a major rigmarole to get your personal weapons onto the base in the first place. Are you even in the same conversation?
RE: RandomWalker: Off duty? Not allowed as per the military directive. Read it.
Read LEOSA 2004 Not only are law enforcement officers not required to check guns in, many are REQUIRED their state provided weapons at all times, even off-duty.
Here, I’ll save you the research, from fbi.gov
I said police, not MPs
Yes, but I have only been talking about military base policy and MP/security personnel. The thread of the discussion is me essentially asking why do stateside military bases have draconian gun laws?
Not all bases mistrust their soldiers. The pendulum swings back and forth as the newly slaughtered force politicians to reevaluate policy
The short answer:
1. Darned if you don’t limit weapons ie Fort Bragg
2. Darned even more if you do ban weapons ie Fort Hood, Lejune
The pendulum is swinging back the other way. Even in non-combat situations, more soldiers are now allowed to carry. When the bad guys can strike at any time, the good guys have to be ready 100% of the time. It has been a long, painful lesson, and it is not yet over.
Here are the directives for weapons on Camp Lejeune. A place where you indicate allows firearms for its personnel.
Weapons (BO 5500.1G)
Military personnel who live on base and reside in the barracks must register their privately owned firearms with the Provost Marshal’s Office Administrative Section and then deliver the firearms to their organizational commander, who will issue receipts and provide a place of safekeeping for the firearms. If residing in Family Housing, personnel must register their privately owned firearms with the Provost Marshal’s Office Administrative Section and secure in quarters.
Concealed Firearms and Weapons (BO 5500.1G)
It is unlawful to carry a concealed firearm or any weapon that could cause bodily harm, unless you are a law enforcement officer on official business or unless specifically authorized by the Commanding Officer, MCB Camp Lejeune.
Transporting Privately owned Firearms aboard MCB, Camp Lejeune (BO 5500.1G)
It is unlawful to transport a firearm in a vehicle unless the firearm is secured in a locked vehicle trunk. If the vehicle does not have a trunk, the firearm will be secured inside a locked case or locked glove compartment while aboard MCB, Camp Lejeune. No loaded firearm will be transported. All ammunition will be separated from the firearm.
Clearly says “security guard”. Did you miss that bit?
Clearly you missed the part about 1776, the US Constitution, and becoming free from oppressive inbred Brits.
RE: AndrewPeterCarter, Amount of the above that were halted by an armed citizen with a gun: 0
Do more research, then assert
Isn’t it too dangerous for Secret Service to carry? What if one of them has a beef with the commander in chief? Maybe the president can carry a remote control device to enable their weapons when needed.
I hope you see the fallacy of not trusting soldiers, yet trusting police, bank guards, Secret Service agents, sherriffs, constables, DEA, ATF, federal marshals, state troopers, and citizens
It isn’t me that doesn’t trust them but the military themselves. Why?
Your question has already been asked, and answered by multiple individuals with multiple sources provided.
Randomthinker says, “Are you even in the same conversation?”
Are you even in your own conversation?
You keep asking, “Why does the U.S. military not want their non-security staff to carry military-issued or privately owned firearms on stateside bases?”
Your source for this belief was this…
… which is a “White House Directive”, (hint, it’s even in the address) and not a product of the military.
Answering your question in one word. Politics.
That policy of not allowing non-security personnel to carry firearms dates back quite a bit further than Obama.
Also, it was a Department of Defense Directive. Not a White House Directive. DoDD.
They took as good care of the Fort Hood soldiers as they did the marines in Benghazi
Randomthinker, please do not speak on subjects about which you are so grossly ignorant.
This is indeed a DOD memo, or directive. It is outlining a “White House” directive, as is stated in the address “whs/directive”. The White House directive it is replacing was written in 1992.
All DoDD and DoDIsit on the whs/directive directory. The DoD drafted this directive not the white house. Was it based on white house policy? Sure. As is every other Directive and Issuance. DoDD 5210.56 codified common stateside military practice since 1945.
But it doesn’t change the FACT that most, if not all stateside bases, only allowed personal firearms for security, MP, and staff that were required to have firearms as a secondary level of security.
Secondly, with the stroke of a pen, the base commander could issue every swinging dick on the base a firearm and require them to carry (of course, personal/private weapons are explicitly forbidden) as per 2d of the directive. But they don’t? If having everyone on the base carrying a gun would increase the security and prevent mass shootings at the facility, why won’t all base commanders require people carry firearms when on duty?
So you were wrong, it wasn’t the military it was the White House. Thanks for manning up.
So how many years were you in military uniform? Can’t have been long if you believe what you wrote above.
I need a nuclear weapon for my personal safety. It is my first amendment right to possess unlimited number of nuclear weapons. Anyone who disagrees with me is obviously trying to take away my freedom.
Well that makes you a complete asshole. I guess you liked the Holocaust.
I like this site. You can slag each other off. Now dearest steven, I’m from Australia. We don’t have as many guns as you and funnily enough hardly anyone gets murdered by a gun. Our conservative(American equivalent would roughly be the Republican Party) Prime Minister took all our automatic and semi automatic weapons off us years ago. No sigh of a holocaust here yet, but I’ll let you know. As to your knowledge of holocaust history perhaps you should go and talk to some people who directly experienced it and test your theory about gun control and genocide. See if they agree. Nothing like evidence.
PS If you do your science like you do your history your science is worth jackshit. (And no I am not a supporter of alarmist global warming)
Max the Complete Asshole
It isn’t a theory. Hitler confiscated the Jew’s guns and then killed seven million of them.
24 hours in Oz, with it’s gun control laws
Mr. Max, When your country needs the help of strong red blooded Americans with their guns, don’t worry well be there friend. Its what we do. We willingly will give our lives for those who are suppressed and defenseless against their own governments. But please respect my right to be able to defend my family against my own government if the need ever arises, and with the folks running this country now, that day may be sooner than later. Thank you Sir.
But this is the whole point… you DIDN’T defend your family against the government when the coup took place. You acquiesced, you did nothing. They won’t come through the front door when the back door works for them every single time. They just wrap themselves in the flag and salute and you all fall into line every single time. It’s staring you all in the face and you do nothing except splutter about defending your families when the need arises. The need arose. You did NOTHING.
It is not about shooting politicians lefty, it is about literally keeping bad guys out of our homes. The Jews’ guns were taken so that the National Socialist Party could invade homes and round up ‘enemies’.
If you wish to disarm yourself, then go for it, but don’t tread on me.
So if there is any real gun control legislation in the USA all the Jews will be killed. Is that what you are saying?
No what I am saying is that you are a complete asshole.
Is that the best you’ve got? How will I recover. What a complete wanker.
more like simple-minded fool actually
Port Arthur was another PRO job & cover up…zero evidence to link the soft target fall guy to it. Eye witnesses say it wasn’t him. No evidence based trial after guilty plea ‘extracted’. Case locked up so no inquiry can be held into what actually happened. Semi auto weapons banned to make everyone feel safer. Only crooks, cops & military can have them now. These false flag ops leave the real intentions of Govs. compromised.
In response to those who don’t believe in the genocide/gun control link. Here’s some evidence that is so overwhelming that even the most hysterical among you will be hard pressed to raise a denial.
What do the following mass genocides, which killed an estimated 56 million people, mostly ethnic minorities, in the USSR, Germany, Uganda, Cambodia, Armenia, China and Guatemala have in common? All were preceded by gun control. In every major case of genocide in the 20th century, the victims had been disarmed, usually in the name of safety. In every major case of egregious human rights abuses by a government, the citizens of that country are not allowed to own guns. Want proof? I have it.
Read the book listed below, which is meticulously documented, and reach your own conclusions. The laws themselves are reprinted and translated on opposing pages. I’ve read some hysterical responses to this book, but never a refutation of the facts. The link between gun control and genocide/human rights abuses is far too powerful to ignore.
You may reasonably argue that guns kill people. But the numbers pale in comparison to the number of people killed because of gun control. So you can go ahead and call me all the names you like. Doing so will demonstrate the true nature of your character, while proving nothing of mine. If the truth infuriates you because it challenges your core beliefs, then maybe it’s time to reassess your core beliefs. Fact: Gun control is infinitely more dangerous than gun ownership.
With a gun you might kill a few people. With gun control you can wipe out entire civilizations.
Try listening to what other people are trying to tell you. Some may have something important to say.
Lethal Laws, By Jay Simkin, Aaron Zelman, & Alan M. Rice. Milwaukee, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, 1994. Pp. 347
Available on Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/Lethal-Laws-Gun-Control-Genocide/dp/0964230402
Extensive Review: http://www.davekopel.com/2a/lawrev/lethal.htm
Take an hour of your time and watch this documentary-
As it relates to Sandy Hook. A family doing the right thing:
What a disgusting analogy.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself. That this comes from someone who wants to draw an extremely long historical bow yet is blind to the overwhelming evidence of gun ownership to violence ratio in the United States should hardly be a surprise, I guess.
The violent crime rate in the UK is eight times higher than in the US. You should be ashamed of yourself for threatening the safety of America’s children with misguided propaganda.
two links you may find useful –
Gangs and guns in third world countries 2010 –
Click to access Small-Arms-Survey-2010-Chapter-03-EN.pdf
Guns and policy around the world –
Feinstein should take note……………………………
Since the last comments, Obama admin has duplicated Nazi technique of using gov’t agencies to harrass political opponents before an election.
It’s also worth noting both Hitler and Obama wrote two autobiographies/manifestos in their earlier years, before accomplishing anything. Before charming the masses with demagoguery.
The parallels between the rise of Hitler and the Nazi’s and Barack Obama are almost surreal. He will be the reincarnation of the Nazi Party, if Patriots don’t stop him now.
The damage the 2nd amendment does is to those who would do harm to my person, family or property. When well armed and attacked, I have the ability to respond in kind to a person who may be superior to me in physical prowess. Fighting back against government tyranny in the form of individual action is in no way a part of the ‘right to bear arms’; when needed a ‘well-armed’ militia would be mighty helpful to quelling a local riot of thieving thugs. It was ‘well-armed’ shopkeepers who slowed down the looters in the LA riots who were intent on looting their businesses (seems I remember most of them were Asian who guarded their shops with guns of various types).
The government the ‘fathers of the constitution’ of our country were setting up to fight were those who would enter our country illegally. The idea of any single citizen in any time in history being able to overcome an organized army is ludicrous to say the least and doesn’t fit the spirit of what our ‘rights’ allow. I think the Vermont slogan articulates my thoughts; “Live Free or Die”.
As is the case of the five year old who was subjected to a two hour ordeal to the point of ‘peeing’ on himself, just because he had a water pistol in his possession at school (no tolerance policy); some common sense is in order in this discussion. (by the way, the little boy is still suspended as of my last reading)
Our leaders, from school principals to the POTUS have become corrupt with powerful arrogance. When will it end. Read your bible.
There are some true anti-gun morons posting on here. South Africa has more gun murders than the US. Britain’s and Australia’s violent crime rate is as high or higher even with their gun bans in place. Try reading up on some facts before you start posting the dribble.
getting a gun in south africa is possible but very difficult. half the guns that are turned in by respectable citizens ‘disappear’. but like in many places, the media try to push the idea that it more dangerous to have a gun than not have one, because a criminal can turn it against you. i personally know of a couple of cases where a potential robbery was diffused with a gun. i have never heard of an unarmed robber getting the better of an armed victim. gun control proponents can never seem to answer this question: if a mass shooting takes place, would there be more victims if noone in the crowd has a gun, or would there be more victims if a few people in the crowd had guns, or would it be the same?
Dada is only partially correct. If you have the money and a contact you can get an illegal, unlicensed firearm quite easily – my son being offered one when at school (1996), whereas to get a legal firearm is fairly hard. The other point he made, of legal guns ‘disappearing’ when handed in is quite true. As I served in the South African Police Reserves, I met police from other stations, and one told me that he had handed his private firearm in as he was buying a new firearm for himself but, some time later, while attending a complaint, he found that one of the perpetrators was armed with his (the policeman’s) old firearm. Dada is also quite correct about what the media pushes, and I concur with the remainder of what he says.
Andrew, you protest too loudly! Why do you care so vehemently? Are you one of these insecure twits that have to be right and those you argue with have to admit they are wrong to soothe your insecure ‘little boy’ soul? What’s up with you-dude? We don’t give a sh!t what you believe.
Hey whynot! I followed that spineless troll to his site, as you did and tied his leftist brain in knots over the course of about a week. His response was to erase the entire thread, like any gutless fascist. Don’t waste your time on that worm, his site never got do much traffic as when I confronted him, because nobody wants to read his BS.
Let him rot in his empty little Ministry of Disinformation.
‘Most places in the US are extremely safe. The vast majority of violent crime is inner city gangs in gun-free zones.’
what we have here is belief not facts ‘Belief in and of itself is the great sin!’ No matter where you are in relation to the fence… The world needs to dispense with Hagalian Dialectic Dualism and move on!
Check out this differential will give you some clarity on guns and violent crime! http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/story/2011/09/27/wdr-windsor-murder-free.html
Next time try comparing apples to apples, Windsor has completely different demographics from Detroit. Only 4% of Windsor’s demographic is black, whereas Detroit’s is 84%.
The county in which I live is heavily armed and we have not had a single murder in years. Twenty miles away, the urban area which is mostly black has daily murders.
Demographics is the difference, not access to firearms. Get your head out of your ass.
Exactly, I see this frequently, these sleazy attempts to ignore the racial component to crime rates. In fact you’ll never see a major television ‘news’ program address this component, which has the highest correlation.
Likewise with crimes committed by minorities the ‘news’ outlets are completely silent on the race of the perpetrators, in the case of blacks, you’ll be able to watch reports from every source and never once hear the word BLACK. On the other hand White is the most frequently used word in reports related to a White shooting a minority.
Where I live in the US there is almost no crime. Rednecks have about 3 guns in each house: one for deer, one for small game, and one for predators. Murders are committed in cities by street punks in gangs. No thug would dare come out here because all those hunting rifles work on people.
The leftest argument over gun restrictions misses the entire point. The original post was the exact reason the founders wrote the 2nd Amendment. This is a fundamental American right and without it’s inclusion, the Constitution would never had been ratified. And if 237 years later the leftist decided they don’t like it, Article V spells out exactly how to change it. So go ahead and try. But it cannot be changed via Executive orders or Congressional laws, which is what the left is continually attempting at every opprotunity.
Right to Bear Arms=fundamental American right, not a privileged.
Obama will be history in a couple years and then the masses of asses, aka as the electoral college,will elect another clown. Meanwhile, senators and congressmen and bureaucratic agencies will continue to do whatever their elitist controllers want, turning a deaf ear to the wishes of the majority. As far as gun control, they can take mine. What I would like to see is a bomb tied to the ass of every politician, and triggered to explode whenever they utter a lie.
What we should have had written into the Constitution is a penalty of life in prison for any politician that even utters the suggestion of limiting our rights in regard to free speech and the right to bear arms.
A dedicated federal agency that is on the ready to immediately handcuff any politician who dares to commit this treason.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc – “It happened after, therefore it was caused by”
This article is a near perfect example of that fallacy
John A.: Nobody said the gun confiscations caused the holocaust. And certainly, the Holocaust would likely have occurred with their confiscation. But, certainly this enabled the round up and slaughter without an inconvenient, and public, struggle to not be murdered. Evil always thrives when out of public view.
Expect the anti gun rhetoric to arc up once again.
The holocaust didn’t “begin” with confiscating guns. This law was passed days AFTER Kristallnacht. 30,000 Jews already had been arrested and were being sent to the camps. At the same time as Jews were outlawed from owning guns, all Jewish businesses were closed, we had all our money and even insurance policies confiscated, and we were banned from all public places. If they wanted the confiscation of guns to be the “thin edge of the wedge” they would have done it before any actual violence.
The fact is, Jewish guns were not an issue for the Nazis. They had a war machine capable of taking over the world from Spain to the middle of Russia, and they could easily have defeated any armed resistance of Jews, as indeed they did at Warsaw a few years later. It just so happened they already were passing a law LOOSENING gun control regulations for Germany, and inserted a clause outlawing guns for Jews. It made no material difference whatsoever, as they in fact confiscated almost all the property of all Jews without specifically outlawing them from having that property; if they hadn’t outlawed Jews’ guns, they still would have taken them by force, and even after outlawing them, they had to take them by force or the Jews would still have had them. Where is the difference the guns’ illegality made?
You should re-read the history of the Warsaw ghetto uprising; it wasn’t “easily” suppressed.
I was going to say the same, the Jews resorted to making guns to defend themselves and it wasn’t that easy, but taking the guns made a big difference and it is something to keep in mind, after they have your guns, your freedom is next
The “beginning event” of the Holocaust is debatable; that gun confiscation facilitated it, at a lesser cost to the Nazis is not. And that is the vital point, that gun control ALWAYS makes it easier for bad people to do bad things & makes it harder for good people to resist.
Thomas is a Marxist/fascist/lib/Islamist who,believes his trained attack dogs the military can accomplish anything. Not so,—any great power—British– American Revolution to the more recent Japanese military that was horrified by the bloodbath they foresaw with an invasion of the U.S. DURING WWII–horrified by the resistance of every few feet of U.S. SOIL covered with weapons of citizens.—Thomas is on par with the likes of Pol Pot of the Khmer Rouge, Stalin, etc—well Thomas–those murderers loved their military–but they still started their bloodbaths with gun confiscation. ALL murderous regimes in recent history started with gun confiscation.
The initial thesis of this piece is the most ridiculous piece of garbage logic I ever heard. There is one simple reason the gun grab in Germany was nothing like “gun control” recommendations in the USA in this day and age–they’re not the same actions or laws…AT ALL. Every gun fetishist, NRA nut job gives this same idiotic argument. When challenged it will generally be followed by a diatribe on the [imaginary] slippery slope. Conservatives in general have problems understanding concepts like moderation and balance. There are plenty of sane, measured legal responses to gun violence that have been suggested by liberals and moderates but the extremist gun fanatics will have none of it. The word compromise insults their senses. And the word balance isn’t even in their vocabulary.
What would be the sane, measured responses you cite? Are all, or nearly all NRA members fetishists or was that simple an ad hominem rhetorical statement?
Try unplugging your head from your rear you marxist tool. North Korea is looking for azzclowns like you, please use the American power of freedom to relocate. If guns scare you so much, then move. And quit calling us gun owners extremists, we are not, we are guaranteeing freedom from oppressive V.A.T. taxation that the u.n. wants to levy on Americans. America, the V.A.T. taxation in Europe is 19%, that is 19 cents on every dollar you spend, on any item or service that you buy, on top of the current fed, state, county and city tax you pay. Get a clue!
“A Little Gun History” about half way down, staggering numbers!
Why Carry a Gun?
My old grandpa said to me ‘Son, there comes a time in
every man’s life when he stops bustin’ knuckles and starts
bustin’ caps; and usually it’s when he becomes too old to
take an ass whoopin.’
I don’t carry a gun to kill people; I carry a gun to keep from
I don’t carry a gun to scare people; I carry a gun because
sometimes this world can be a scary place.
I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid; I carry a gun because
there are real threats in the world.
I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil; I carry a gun because I
have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.
I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government; I carry a gun
because I understand the limitations of government.
I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry; I carry a gun so that I don’t
have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.
I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone; I carry a gun
because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk
somewhere tomorrow afternoon.
I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy; I carry a gun because,
when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy.
I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man; I carry a gun because
men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.
I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate; I carry a gun because
unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.
I don’t carry a gun because I love it; I carry a gun because I love life
and the people who make it meaningful to me.
Police protection is an oxymoron: Free citizens must protect themselves,
because police do not protect you from crime, they just investigate the
crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.
Personally, I carry a gun because I’m too young to die and too old
to take an ass whooping’! Author unknown (but obviously brilliant)
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control: From 1929 to 1953,
about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control: From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938: From 1939 to 1945, a total of 13
million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935: From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964: From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan
Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970: From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956: From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
56 million defenseless people were rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control .
You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating
this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and,
yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
With guns, we are ‘citizens’; without them, we are ‘subjects’.
During WW II, the Japanese decided not to invade America because they
knew most Americans were ARMED!
The commie /Marxist lover, sean penn suggested that Obama murder 25 million Americans that do not agree with his mentally retarded Marxist agenda. hilderbeast clinton has recommended fun camps to re-educate those of us that are mentally balanced to accept the liberal/commie agenda.
Gun owners in the USA are the largest armed forces in the world!
If you value your freedom, please spread this anti gun-control message to all
of your friends.
The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense.
The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important
SWITZERLAND ISSUES A GUN TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD!
SWITZERLAND’S GOVERNMENT ISSUES AND TRAINS EVERY ADULT
IN THE USE OF A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT’S A NO BRAINER! DON’T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
I’m a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment! If you are too, please forward this. If you’re
not a believer, please reconsider the true facts. This is history; not the BS that’s being shown on TV, sanctioned by our illustrious delusional leaders in Washington
You have no idea of what you are talking about. You just babble and try to pretend it is coherent and thought provoking. It is obvious that you have almost no real world experiences. Back to your cannabis pipe!
“There are plenty of sane, measured legal responses to gun violence that have been suggested by liberals and moderates but the extremist gun fanatics will have none of it.”
Then why don’t the ruling elites who suggest such apply it to themselves according to “the equal protection of the laws” (14th Amendment)? Why do they surround and protect themselves with guns and still insist on “gun-free zones” for the rest of us? Why are these “measured legal responses to gun violence” good for us, but not them? Something is very wrong about those who take from others what they keep for themselves.
“There are plenty of sane, measured legal responses to gun violence that have been suggested by liberals and moderates but the extremist gun fanatics will have none of it.”
Why do these “liberals and moderates” continue to lie when talking about gun control. They pretend what they call “Assault Weapons” are fully automatic machine guns. A fully automatic machine gun is already illegal and has been for decades. They pretend there is some kind of loop hole allowing the sale of guns with no background check at a Gun Show. This is another lie, sales at gun shows are under the same laws as sales anywhere else in the United States. The only exceptions is sales of personal firearms or transfer as gifts to friends or family. If someone is pretending to be selling personal firearms at a gun show but really making it a business then they can and should be prosecuted.
If the “liberals and moderates” lie on these issues then how can we trust their “sane, measured legal responses.” They have proven they plan to impose gun control one step at a time until they ban all civilian ownership of guns. Those of us who oppose such a ban have to fight every step.
And virtually all the “assault weapons on the streets” are carried by government agents and those who protect the ruling elites. Again, I ask, why don’t they apply the long time law banning full-auto weapons (1934) to themselves? The last legislation sought to ban semi-auto weapons, which they wrongly called “assault weapons” in yet another attempt to use “gun-free zone” shootings to take from others what they keep for themselves.
Auto weapons available here. Sorry.
Try buying one.
“sane” and “measured” in no way realistically describe “liberals”…
hmmm….neither does “liberal”
That’s because they are ‘Progressives’, they are not interested in your liberty.
The word “liberal’ has been hi-jacked to describe authoritarian leftists who want to take from others what they keep for themselves–and that by guns, of course.
“This is America. I’ve never had that feeling… I’ve never had the occasion to think that I had to fear my government. I never had the thought that I had reason to think I had to look over my shoulder until now.”
-Gerald Molen, Producer of “Schindler’s List”
Well, Obama did promise to “fundamentally transform America” McCain and Romney were too lazy to ask him what that meant.
I don’t believe he said that exact statement until 5 days before the election. I am still amazed he stood in front of veterans and said he wanted a better funded better equipped than the military “Civilian National Security Force”. Did that NOT dawn on them what he was saying?
The policies of today’s Democrat Party are much closer to the policies of the Nazi Party of 1930’s Germany than they are to the policies of the 1950’s Democrat Party. I call them DemoNazis. I do not trust them at all. I fear what they might do. I fear for the future of this country. A populace that could elect Barack Obama is Populace capable of any idiocy.
The Republicans are soft useless fools. In fear of the Tea party the DemoNazi’s are actually propping up old line Republicans.
Agreed, and the new/current Amerika is not the America it was meant to be.
Gun control does not have a good track record in recent history. The Federalists papers discussed and believed that an armed public was in the best interest of the Republic. I think current stats support the fact that were citizens are allowed to be armed crime is lower and gun free zones are only gun free for the law abiding citizens, not criminals. I agree that we should stay away from class and geographic divisions, as that is bad for America. The Second Amendment and our Constitution are unique to our experiment and should be protected. Regardless of party we should strive to be a nation of laws and not men. The current President is crossing that line and should respect the other branches and our Constitution, not go around them. The system was designed to be in conflict with the hope to avoid conflicts on our streets. Once laws are broken and law abiding citizens are unarmed we will have serious problems.
both my parents were Holocaust survivors, and they lost virtually entire families to the Nazis. I’ve spent a good part of my life reading and studying about the Holocaust, watching documentaries and attending lectures, and trying to understand how that could happen. In all that time, I have never heard a single person even remotely suggest the Holocaust had anything to do with “gun control.” I have met and spoken with hundreds of Holocaust survivors, and not a single one ever said “If only we could have kept our guns.”
I find it completely and totally sick, disgusting and reprehensible that “independent data analyst Steven Godard” would use the tragic suffering of millions of people to push a political agenda that has nothing to do with it.
Amazing that in all your research you never learned about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, where the Jews had to beg for firearms. The Jews in Warsaw died with dignity fighting, and took out lots of Nazis.
I find your commentary to be totally sick, disgusting, reprehensible and cynical.
When did the citizens of Warsaw have their firearms arsenals confiscated and how many were taken, fucktard? You should know given you’re the self annointed history expert and all.
Don’t talk like that to the chosen one.
By failing to learn the lessons of history, you have set yourself up to be a victim when it repeats itself. Times change; people don’t.
I have never heard a single person even remotely suggest the Holocaust had anything to do with “gun control.”
Time to learn something new – maybe a different perspective. Look up “dogma”.
Did you have difficulty reading the newspaper article?
Thanks for brining up Warsaw, a great illustration of why tyrants need to practice gun confiscation…
“Out of all the acts of armed citizen resisters in the war, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943 is difficult to surpass in its heroism. Beginning with just a few handguns, armed Jews put a temporary stop to the deportations to extermination camps, frightened the Nazis out of the ghetto, stood off assaults for days on end, and escaped to the forests to continue the struggle. What if there had been two, three, many Warsaw Ghetto Uprisings?”
The Polish resistance made their own weapons —
Example – copies of the Sten machine gun.
“the only route available to the resistance movement (Polish) to procure SMG’s was to begin their own clandestine manufacturing programs.
These underground manufacturing programs achieved remarkable success, and are conservatively estimated to have produced more than 1,300 SMG’s based more or less on the Sten design. These guns spanned the spectrum from crudely made local designs hand made by village blacksmiths to small runs of provincial “lookalikes”, to high quality copies made by skilled industrial workers. In Warsaw alone there were several factories engaged in producing Sten copies, some of which produced hundreds of guns.
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For such a tremendous critical thinker, I’m surprised at this article. I doubt historians are any less corruptible than scientists. You need to think what you would have done to protect your people from a population of revolutionaries and subversives that had already taken over many governments, and whose inhuman savagery was the terror of Europe. In fact, Germany was even taken over by Bolsheviks in 1919, in a coup that lasted a few days. Hungary’s temporary martial takeover – by this same ethnic elite, under Bela Kuhn, resulted in the death 0f 50,000 people. Same in Romania, Lithuania, Poland, etc. All of Europe was terrified of Bolshevism, and Bolshevism was Jewish. Hitler disarmed Jews. Jews were sent away. There is no truth to the 6,000,000 lie, but there was much mistreatment and harm done to innocents. At the same time, nobody ever asks what Jews did to Germans. Disarming a population from which armed revolution was likely to have issued is not senseless. In fact, the Night of Broken Glass was preceded by the assassination of a German diplomat by a Jewish revolutionary, and was not at all the top-down violent revolutionary activity which it is portrayed to be.
I’ll add that many lies have been spread about Hitler’s gun policies. For Germans, he actually loosened restrictions, which were far harsher under the post-Versailles government. The age to buy and sell private firearms was lowered from 20 to 18.
‘But it appears that the Nazis aspired to a certain
relaxation of gun laws for the “ordinary” or “law-abiding” German
citizen, for those who were not, in their minds, “enemies of the
National Socialist state.”‘ This quote comes from a good source, that, although misguided about the alleged extermination story, presents a very solid overview of German gun policies during the Third Reich. http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4029&context=flr&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DBernard%2BHarcourt%2Bhitler%2Bgun%2Bcontrol%26src%3DIE-TopResult%26FORM%3DIE11TR%26conversationid%3D#search=%22Bernard%20Harcourt%20hitler%20gun%20control%22
Do you have trouble reading the newspaper article above?
I don’t want to give the impression that I think Jews in Germany were likely to be armed to the teeth. I mean to say that Jews were considered, not without reason, to have interests inimical to the rest of the German people. I get the impression the attitude was less about “disarming” Jews than denying them a right belonging exclusively to the ‘Volk’.
Nice! Pushing Nazi propaganda as history. Stay classy!
And yes, this is aimed at Dominic, for spewing Bolshevik bullshit.
Which is it? Nazi or Bolshevik or do you believe they’re one and the same?
The Nazis claimed that the Jews were behind the Bolshevik uprising. Clear enough for you now?
Nice to see you getting some traction in the MSM. Keep up the exceptional work!
Kansas City has been wringing its media hands for a year now about the high murder rate. Objective & obvious demographics makes it fairly obvious why the murder/crime rate is high. Same can be seen in the military. The KCStar has been publishing maps showing the locations of past and recent murders. It has become apparent that a relatively disproportionate percentage of these murders occur within a small neighborhood and within an extended family and circle of “friends”. Solution seems obvious to me. Turn those dozen city blocks to hot glass.
A couple of years ago some newspaper/magazine, I forget which, but could probably Google, studied the gun related deaths over a three day weekend, might have been a holiday. They printed a brief summary about each crime, victim, suspects if known.
Prime causes: homicide, homicide/suicide, suicide, accidental. My observations: 1) Felons caught with guns need to be summarily executed, w/ the illegal gun, in the street, and left for the magpies. 2) Stupid people and guns are a bad combination, like teenage boys w/ whiskey and car keys, bad results can be expected. 3) Suicide? Guns plus despair & depression & mental instability. Maybe if the military can figure out what to do about their suicide rate. 4) Just like owning a car, if you own a gun you must have insurance to cover unintended consequences. How can the NRA complain? If you can spend $1,500 for an AR-15 you can afford $50 for an insurance policy.
My gun experience? USAR RVN.
Arm all teachers!
Excerpt from interview of Theodore Hass, Dachau survivor:
Q.) Did the camp inmates ever bring up the topic, “If only we were armed before, we would not be here now”?
A.) Many, many times. Before Adolph Hitler came to power, there was a black market in firearms, but the German people had been so conditioned to be law abiding, that they would never consider buying an unregistered gun. The German people really believed that only hoodlums own such guns. What fools we were. It truly frightens me to see how the government, media, and some police groups in America are pushing for the same mindset. In my opinion, the people of America had better start asking and demanding answers to some hard questions about firearms ownership, especially if the government does not trust me to own firearms, why or how can the people be expected to trust the government?
There is no doubt in my mind that millions of lives could have been saved if the people were not “brainwashed” about gun ownership and had been well armed. Hitler’s thugs and goons were not very brave when confronted by a gun. Gun haters always want to forget the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which is a perfect example of how a ragtag, half starved group of Jews took up 10 handguns and made asses out of the Nazis.
Disarm all cops!
Maher’s comments were brilliant and accurate almost as good as the article itself! Why did the crime rate in certain Chicago neighborhoods recently drop after gun restrictions were loosened. Some of those killed were the actual bad guys who broke into homes but were shot. Suddenly their kind went elsewhere. Since the 1950’s most mass shooting have taken place in areas where Guns are restricted.
Some good history
The obvious fallacy of “gun control” being good for the people is that those who want work to disarm us always EXEMPT THEMSELVES in their “common sense” gun laws. If it is a good idea, why don’t they lead by example and disarm themselves first? But NO, they keep for themselves what they would take from others. And how would that be enforced? Oh, by guns, of course!
ONLY YOUR ENEMY WANTS YOU DISARMED
Excellent research. I thought I knew everything about the history of the Nazi gun confiscation, but this is pretty crucial considering the modern implications.
Interesting that you chose to reference Nazi Germany rather than the zio-commuinist USSR
The Jews declared war on Germany, the Germans would have been fools to not confiscate their (an enemy within) guns.
Snippets of information are misleading without the whole picture. Judea declared war on Germany in 1933, long before Hitler took any of these actions. http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html
Fascist gun grabbers should ask the German diplomat shot by the Polish Jew in Paris why Hitler banned guns for Jews…
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
I was a child in the 1960’s and a teenager in the 1970’s. We loved America and our Constitutionally protected Freedoms.
That is not the America we live in now. Most of our Rights and Freedoms are being sacrificed for so called “security”. I sure don’t feel secure.
No one freaks out about the control our government asserts over our cars. Gun control does not mean guns will be forbidden anymore than regulation of driving robs us of our vehicles.
Jews could’ve assembled and fought bravely against Tanks, Planes and a professional army. Germany was a Superpower. Everyone has it figured out in hindsight except the unfortunate people who lost their lives. The ‘confiscation’ of guns was the genesis of the Holocaust. Hitler becoming the Fuhrer was the start. The allies not enforcing the Treaty of Versailles. Cut and paste history does a great disservice to the victims of the Holocaust.
First of all, a govt can’t drop bom bs on its’ own country, genius. Secondly, Goebbels himself cabled Hitler after Warsaw Ghetto and stated that “we were very wise to confiscate weapons from Jews”. Germany was fighting on 2 separate fronts vs formidable nations. A well armed group of hundreds of thousa
nds inside the nation
would have been impossible to contain. Read the book “Perfidy” by Ben Hecht and read “Gun Control and The Third Reich” by Stephen Hollbrook
Real Science my backside. “The Holocaust Began With Gun Control” – it also began with the sun coming up one day.
Obviously Nazi gun control did not cause the holocaust , but it sure made it a hell of a lot easier to effectuate
Jews in camps made the weapons and ammo for the German army..the Holocaust story..seems more like a HOLYHOAX…when you learn that the Jews in camps..were killed by OTHER JEWS…when Zionist Jews Eisenhower and Zionist Jew Churchill bombed the
German supply lines causing starvation and disease..The Red Cross records support this fact.
SO…DID HITLER KILL THE JEWS FOR FUN..OR IS THE STORY A TOTAL PILE OF “KOL NIDRE” LIES?
Kol Nidre..is a Jewish practice used to circumvent non Jews…
WW2 WAS A GLOBAL JEWISH JIHAD AGAINST CHRISTIAN GERMANY…All the allied nations were ran by Jews..USA/Roosevelt,Eisenhower and Harry Solomon Truman…..ENGLAND/ Churchill..and USSR/ Stalin and Lenin…..all these men were Jews..and managed WW2…INTERNATIONAL JEWS..MURDERING CHRISTIAN GERMANS
SEE JUSTICE4GERMANS..and watch the video HELLSTORM: THE GENOCIDE OF NAZI GERMANY
Oh..by the way..NAZI is a Jewish Term…The Nazis were in BAVARIA..a Jewish settlement..ASH-KEN-NA Jews….and .In Italy Jews were known as NAZIONE http://www.jewishgen.org…..Jewish princes were called NASI..and the leader of the SANHEDRIN was called NASI..
NO GERMAN EVER CALLED HIS HOMELAND..OR HIS COUNTRY MAN..A NAZI..Ive watched hours of German films on this era..and not once..did any German call another German..a NAZI…
learn about the ZIONISTS IN HITLERS GOVERNMENT..like we have Zionist today in ours..AND LEARN ABOUT VON MILDENSTEIN..a Nazi Jew who traveled to Palestine..SEE THE COIN MADE IN HIS HONOR..
Germans as well as European nations…wanted the Jews out…so the Jews..created WW2 because Jews are not victims..as they cry..but perpetrators of wars…and death to mostly Christian nations….WW2 MASSACRED CHRISTIAN NATIONS..
WHY WOULD HILTER GENOCIDE JEWS..WHEN IT WAS JEWS MAKING GUNS AND AMMO FOR THE GERMAN ARMY IN WW2??? HHHmm??? think about that for a bit..and learn about the HOLYHOAX..used to gain a shield for Zionist Jews…and empathy…as welll as extort money from nations..going into the pockets of Jews
THE IRS..collects SECRET KOSHER TAXES…THE IRS HAS BEEN USED AS A WEAPON AGAINST CHRISTIANS AND CONSERVATIVES as of late…Being the IRS collects taxes for JEWISH RABBIS…THAT MUST MEAN THAT THE PRIVATELY OWNED NGO CALLED IRS…IS ALSO RAN BY JEWS…EXTORTING 1/3 OF AMERICAN WEALTH INTO JEW POCKETS YEARLY
HOWS THAT WORKING FOR YA?
The Jews have impoverished many a nation…starving people unto death (HOLOMODOR OF UKRAINE)….GERMANYS WEIMAR REPUBLIC…DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WONT DO IT TO THE AMERICANS?
DONT BE NIAVE..ITS WHAT THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE..AND THIS IS THE REASON THEY ARE A PERSECUTED PEOPLE..THEY ARE DANGEROUS..PARASITES..LOCUSTS…DEVOURING THE LAND
Where did my post go?
probably where your head is . UP UR ASS
@tess , post is lost in space , like you . Are you for real , or were you home schooled ?
You either believe in a right to bear arms or
You don’t. Most law abiding citizens don’t
Misuse guns and suicide by guns may be a problem
But it’s a tiny problem numbers wise. Countries with
Less gun control are less violent and in America if you
Breakdown gun ownership by race the data will show an ugly
Picture. I do NOT think blacks are more violent only that their
Communities are in greater social disarray leaving gangs as family structure.
How can guns be the problem? No data shows gun control working it’s always conflicting. Nothing has ever been a slam dunk. So you are taking away a constitutional right with no proof it even helps much if at all and maybe emboldens criminals. Newsflash we are bordered by two countries loaded with guns and there are millions of guns already owned. Good luck with your gun control plan. I didn’t think the holocaust reference was insensitive but silly in that Jews were not capable of adequate self defense in the onslaught anyway.